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#1940078 - 08/09/12 09:37 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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I think his link was supposed to be:
http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/news/detail/930

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#1940088 - 08/09/12 10:29 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Montano]  
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Originally Posted by Montano
See www.casio-europe.com/euro/news/detail/93C about the new models. Of course it is marketing talk, but it looks promising. Very curious how the new keybed will feel. No mention when they will be available in Europe.


This link comes up as "NOT FOUND"....

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#1940094 - 08/09/12 10:50 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]  
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Originally Posted by xorbe
I think his link was supposed to be:
http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/news/detail/930


Thanks for posting the correct link!

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#1940270 - 08/10/12 11:01 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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wow, the PX850 sounds perfect. is that too sophisticated for the US mass market?

EDIT: scratch this thought, looks like the 850 is a cabinet style DP. i had hoped it would be a portable board..... 37kg is pretty stout!

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#1940290 - 08/10/12 11:38 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: bfb]  
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Originally Posted by bfb
wow, the PX850 sounds perfect. is that too sophisticated for the US mass market?

EDIT: scratch this thought, looks like the 850 is a cabinet style DP. i had hoped it would be a portable board..... 37kg is pretty stout!


And only 18 sounds. To get the 250 sounds back (a la PX330), you gotta step up to the AP-650, which is even bigger yet. Apparently sound samples are heavy!!!

#1943372 - 08/15/12 07:25 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Does anyone know if the key action of the upcoming PX150 is new or is something copied from an existing Casio piano? I'm trying to decide if I should wait for the PX150 but only if its key action is better than comparable Yamaha pianos. If the key action is the same with an existing Casio piano, then I can go find that model and get a feel of it. Yamaha labels their key action feel with GHS, GH, and etc so it's easy to tell how it will feel, even for a model that is not released yet. But Casio doesn't seem to have a similar standard.

My daughter's piano school sells only Yamaha and so I've only been able to play with those and I definitely feel the GH keys are a closer feel to an acoustic Yamaha piano than the GHS keys. Would it be too much to hope to expect the Casio PX150 to have GH-equivalent feeling keys?


#1943375 - 08/15/12 07:34 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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It will be a new action, not like any current Casios.

#1943376 - 08/15/12 07:35 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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That's a question we're all wondering about. Casio hasn[t released any technical info on their action other than to say it is improved over what they are currently selling. It looks like all their keybeds come with ivory textured keys. That is all that can be said for sure. As to what it feels like, that is anyone's guess until they actually start shipping and can be played.

#1943992 - 08/16/12 04:58 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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I just found this article about these new Privias and Celviano, it's in Japanese, but the pictures look nice. http://www.miroc.co.jp/magazine/archives/18551

By the way, does anybody know how much the AP-650m and the AP-450 will be?

And another thing i'd like to know. Would there be a big difference between the AP-650M speakers (16 cm X 2 and 2.5 cm X 2 with 2 - 30 Watts amplifiers) and the AP-450 ones ??( 12 cm X 2 and 2.5 cm X 2 with 2 - 20 Watts amplifiers)

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#1944012 - 08/16/12 05:34 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Gosh , they are ugly , looking like rhythm electric organs from the 70s and 80s . Only the 650 in polished ebony and the px-350 look better. Still not the style award winners, but acceptable. The other cabinets ....I just don't know. Cheap doesn't always have to mean ugly in my opinion.

As for the graphs - they looked interesting ; there seems to be a lot going on in the new processing. Of course I don't understand a word from what's written, so it's just guessing .

Biggest question remains: how good are new keybed and sound in practice (need user reports) , when will they hit the shop and at what (local) price. Counting off...

#1944154 - 08/16/12 11:09 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Vladimir88]  
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Originally Posted by Vladimir88
I just found this article about these new Privias and Celviano, it's in Japanese, but the pictures look nice. http://www.miroc.co.jp/magazine/archives/18551

Wow, thanks! I don't read Japanese either but it looks like one of the pix is about longer attack sampling before decay looping, another is about release velocity influencing damping time, and another about FIR comb filtering associated with stereo mic positioning, yet another about 16k velocities vs. 127.

Mike, could you comment on this? Why is it that the Japanese audience gets more technical info than the English speaking audience?

#1944167 - 08/16/12 11:24 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by Vladimir88
I just found this article about these new Privias and Celviano, it's in Japanese, but the pictures look nice. http://www.miroc.co.jp/magazine/archives/18551


Mike, could you comment on this? Why is it that the Japanese audience gets more technical info than the English speaking audience?


I was wondering the same thing....

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#1944256 - 08/17/12 04:05 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster
Mike, could you comment on this? Why is it that the Japanese audience gets more technical info than the English speaking audience?


Are people on these shores more dependent on marketers? That is, we need them to tell us what to buy? It feels that way sometimes.

Completely baseless speculation by the way. I've never lived in Japan so I don't know what the media or culture is like.

#1944261 - 08/17/12 04:14 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster

Mike, could you comment on this? Why is it that the Japanese audience gets more technical info than the English speaking audience?

Things have to be translated, then proof read, checked for trademark clashes, etc. Takes time and money. Someone has to be first then second then ... They should probably choose Mandarin then Spanish before English. The world is larger than you think smile

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#1944379 - 08/17/12 09:55 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: ONfrank]  
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Originally Posted by ONfrank
Are people on these shores more dependent on marketers? That is, we need them to tell us what to buy? It feels that way sometimes.

This is my feeling too (that it's marketing at work).

They're showing multiple waveform views of note decays and graphs of MIDI velocities - all they need is a phase scope video and they'd be in Roland SN descriptive territory. I'm not accustomed to this, though I certainly applaud it and hope they translate it for wider dissemination.

#1944425 - 08/17/12 11:17 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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In the end it all comes downto how it sounds. To start with; if they pick an inferior piano as source , or don't record it well - no processing afterward can save it. The basic piano sound must also match your taste. One likes the Steinway, the other swears with Bosendorfer or Fazioli . Same as with digitals - longer decays and better processing is a good thing , but doesnt tell the whole story and is sometime more of a gimmick to cover up a base that is already shaky to start with. I don't specifically mean Casio in that respect, but more in general - when people start to show to many fancy graphs and pics , I get suspicious ;-) give us some more sounds demo's that are convincing - its the ears that will decide...

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#1944483 - 08/17/12 01:13 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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On Casio's older keyboards, they call the key action 'Tri-Sensor 88-note scaled hammer action keyboard', which sound more like a description than any kind of branding. But on Casio International's site, they have actually labelled the new key action as 'Tri-sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard II'. You can find more info on it here:
http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/emi/privia/info/#hummer

It is nice that all the pianos in the same series will share the same key action so you are choosing based on the added features you need and don't have to worry about basic compromises in the lower models. While I am interested in the PX-150, I do wonder when will the AP-250 be announced for the US since I don't need portability and I do like having a cover. And a Privia + stand + bench will cost close to that of the equivalent Celviano anyway.

#1944512 - 08/17/12 02:10 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: badbob001]  
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Just found this video on the new Celviano pianos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-FpJ5unnE

#1944673 - 08/17/12 06:26 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: badbob001]  
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Originally Posted by badbob001
Just found this video on the new Celviano pianos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-FpJ5unnE

That's in Post #1939385 [Linked Image]

#1945083 - 08/18/12 02:03 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]  
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Given that the PX-130 was announced in Aug 11, 2009 and the matching AP-220 in Jan 14, 2010, I guessing I'll have to wait until early 2013 for the PX-150's matching AP-250. frown

The specs for the PX-150 / AP-250 says it only has an USB-host port and not an USB-device port, so no playback of music from a flash drive. Can I connect a Casio to a PC laptop and get it to play/pass a midi file through to the keyboard's synthesizer?

#1951539 - 08/30/12 01:49 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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The question was already asked before, but there've been no replies;
Given that the PX-350 still has 250 sample voices, is it reasonable to assume that with the exception of the new piano sounds, the other samples remain the same as those on the PX-330?

#1951543 - 08/30/12 01:51 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Marvin Eight]  
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Originally Posted by Marvin Eight
The question was already asked before, but there've been no replies;
Given that the PX-350 still has 250 sample voices, is it reasonable to assume that with the exception of the new piano sounds, the other samples remain the same as those on the PX-330?

Based on the sound list for the PX-350, the non-piano sounds are not completely identical to either the PX-330 nor the PX-3.

http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_PX350-E-1A.pdf

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I'm going to be evil, and suggest that the extra PX-350 piano sounds are probably EQ/filter settings (over the PX-330) of the suggested new and improved main piano sound.

Just comparing PDFs (ie, no idea if the sounds themselves were altered):

+2 piano (2 of concert/studio/bright/dolce, as they probably just renamed the previous "variation" and "modern")
+2 ep/vibes/clavi (chorus ep, wah clavi - probably EQ again)
+1 organ (full drawbar (arabic organ renamed and moved here?))
+1 strings/synthpad (stereo strings 2)
-6 various (yang qin 2, suo na, pi pa 2, sarod, sarangi, arabic organ)
no change bass/guitar.
no change gm tones.

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Originally Posted by xorbe
I'm going to be evil, and suggest that the extra PX-350 piano sounds are probably EQ/filter settings (over the PX-330) of the suggested new and improved main piano sound.

If you mean all the PX-350 AP voices are probably just EQ variations of a single sample set I wouldn't call that evil, just keeping one's expectations realistically in the basement. And spreading sample memory even thinner to support more than one base sample is generally a mistake in this backwards market.

Too bad you can't be arrested for breaking Moore's law.

#1954056 - 09/05/12 12:29 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]  
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Wow... I was going to buy a Celviano next week, but it seems I'm gonna wait for the new models.

The "record to WAV file" function is sure to become very useful for uploading clean-sounding videos to YouTube. smile

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Originally Posted by Stevesie
It seems quite ridiculous that in 2012 musicians are still hoping that a new model of piano will have a decent sample memory. I'm still in the market for a DP but I am having trouble parting with my money when they generally still sound nothing like an acoustic piano.


So, you have to try a "modeled" instrument, not one with "samples"...

The only digital that really has great sustain pedal decay and resonance (like an acoustic) would be the V-Piano, or, V-Piano Grand. And, you will have to shell out at least $6K to get one, as I did.

#1954094 - 09/05/12 03:38 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: kmf123kmf]  
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Originally Posted by kmf123kmf
Originally Posted by kmf123kmf
Hi everyone,

I just found this release from Japan. Looks like, as expected really, Casio is releasing new Celvianos as well. (At least in Japan for now)

http://www.japantoday.com/category/new-products/view/digital-piano-series

I've been lurking this forum for a while now looking for my first DP. Can't wait to hear reviews of these new Casio's once they're out.

-Kevin


Gah! Casio is killing me! All the new Celviano's are up on the Japanese site.

http://casio.jp/emi/products/celviano/ (Google Translate does a passable job if you don't read Japanese)

No trace of them in North America or Europe though.



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Originally Posted by pv88
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It seems quite ridiculous that in 2012 musicians are still hoping that a new model of piano will have a decent sample memory. I'm still in the market for a DP but I am having trouble parting with my money when they generally still sound nothing like an acoustic piano.


So, you have to try a "modeled" instrument, not one with "samples"...

The only digital that really has great sustain pedal decay and resonance (like an acoustic) would be the V-Piano, or, V-Piano Grand. And, you will have to shell out at least $6K to get it, as I did.


Heh, I wish I had $6k to spend! For now it will probably be a basic DP connected to an old laptop, linuxsampler and $25 worth of Sampletekk bosendorfer gigasampler files. It sounds quite ok really.

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@Stevesie,

I am quite sure that your current solution is probably just fine, as what sounds "good" to the ear of the player is all that really matters anyway, plus a decent action.

I just bought Kawai's lowest end offering, the EP3, and I can truly say that I like the sounds and resonance (specifically, the longer sustain pedal decay) far better than the more expensive Casio AP-620.

The EP3 is very good, in its price range.

#1954215 - 09/05/12 11:45 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Just took a quick picture of a PX-150. The texture on the keys looks a bit exaggerated due to the lighting but it feels absolutely phenomenal (in my opinion).

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We're shooting videos and recording audio demos this week and next so we should have those posted before the new models begin shipping.

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