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Missing serial number on beat-up Steinway #196569
02/26/05 02:57 PM
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Our church decommissioned its main piano a few years ago. When I was looking at this instrument, a Steinway, I couldn't find the serial number or model number anywhere on the plate. Is this an indication that the plate may have been rebronzed in a previous restoration?

I was interested in the piano, and wondering what it would take to restore it. So I opened it up and started looking. I looked for the serial number and model number in that triangular region on the plate at the front, between the bass and tenor strings. Nada. All I saw was what looked like a faint hand-written inscription: #204587, although the last digit could be something else. I did notice on the tail end of the plate the following number: 2319.L, and under it, 4254.

I *think* this is an old L, although the style doesn't really look so old. There are markings on the plate for tunings, in the '70's and '80's. But if that hand-written number was really the serial number, wouldn't that make this a 1920's piano?

Unfortunately, I also noticed several long cracks in the soundboard. This piano's tone really speaks to me (much more so than the nice Baldwin that replaced it), but I can't get much volume out of it. I fear that decades of sitting in a non-climate controlled environment in Wisconsin has left it pretty much a mess. I'm guessing that it would need a total rebuild, probably including the soundboard. If true, what would this instrument be worth?

Thanks, as always, for your collective expertise!

Anodos


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Re: Missing serial number on beat-up Steinway #196570
02/26/05 03:06 PM
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Did you check on the back side of the key-slip. They usually stamp the serial # there. It's also stamped on the action somewhere.

Hope that helps


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Re: Missing serial number on beat-up Steinway #196571
02/26/05 04:29 PM
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The plate probably was repainted at some time. Steinway put their serial numbers all over on their pianos. The keyslip or keyframes are good places to start, but you might find it embossed on several other parts, including the music desk. Look on the bottom of it.

The L has 26 notes in the bass, and a tight corner at the back corner on the bass side. All other models with 26 bass notes have a big curve there, so the piano looks almost circular from the rear. An O is similar in size, also has no wound strings on the tenor bridge, but has the big curve in the back, as do the M and S, which are smaller and have wound strings on the tenor bridge.


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Re: Missing serial number on beat-up Steinway #196572
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#204587would make it a 1920 vintage, and from the plate an L. Measure it. It would definitely need a complete rebuild. In any case as is it would be worth around $8,000- 13,000.


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Re: Missing serial number on beat-up Steinway #196573
02/27/05 02:06 PM
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So do you think this piano was already rebuilt once, if the plate was refinished? I'm wondering whether rebuilding it now would even make sense -- and what it would likely cost. I think I'd be further ahead saving up for a newer piano. Am I making sense? I thought the soundboard cracks were ominous, but apparently that's not always the case, if I'm to believe what I read elsewhere.


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