Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
71 registered members (beeboss, aphexdisklavier, Animisha, ACSlater, Barjazz, AlphaBravoCharlie, barbaram, akc42, 18 invisible), 917 guests, and 4 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? #1961309
09/19/12 09:57 PM
09/19/12 09:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 204
O
Otis S Offline OP
Full Member
Otis S  Offline OP
Full Member
O

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 204
My acoustic piano seems to have gotten louder since I purchased it a few years ago. Perhaps this is due to hardening of the hammers after repeated use. It is particularly noticeable at the treble end, and the sound now may be a bit too bright. Other than that, I feel that my piano is an amazing instrument, and I couldn't be happier with it.

I am considering having it voiced down. However, I am concerned that if the voicing is not done properly, this could be bad for the piano and detrimental to the sound quality. I thus have the following questions for those of you who are knowledgeable in this area.

1. Would you recommend having the piano voiced down by a technician, as opposed to adding additional carpeting, cushions, drapes, etc to the room? A problem with the latter solution is that it is hard to precisely modify the sound produced by the piano.

2. If I get the piano voiced down, can I trust my tuner, to do this or should I try to find someone who is specifically known to be an expert voicer? I have talked to a number of people about this, and I could not get specific recommendations on who the top voicing technicians are. The feedback was since my tuner is well respected and I have used him since I got my piano, he is the right person to do the voicing. No one seemed to have strong views on whether one technician might be a better voicer than another. In this situation, how does one identify the right person to do the voicing?

3. Should I be concerned about permanent damage to the hammers which might occur as a result of the voicing?

4. Is there a danger of voicing the piano too low, with no easy way to rectify the situation other than drastic actions like replacing the hammers?



Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items, digital piano dolly, music theme party goods
Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Otis S] #1961314
09/19/12 10:06 PM
09/19/12 10:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 27,427
Oakland
B
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
B

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 27,427
Oakland
You probably should have the piano voiced. Your concerns can probably best be addressed by the person who does it. That person can do a little, and more later if that is not enough. Communicate what you want, and be available as the work is done so you can decide on how much to do.


Semipro Tech
Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Otis S] #1961323
09/19/12 10:23 PM
09/19/12 10:23 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,424
Georgia, USA
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Rickster  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,424
Georgia, USA
Voicing can make a big difference (improvement) in the tone of your piano. It can definitely take the sharp, shrill edge off. It may need some regulation too, such as the hammer-blow distance between the hammers and strings (distance from the static rest position to the surface of the strings) usually about 1.75”, but specified by the manufacturer.

Thing is, voicing is a special skill that not every tuner has. For example, it can make a difference in the results depending on whether the tech pokes the needles in the hammers slowly or stabs them in hard with force. Some techs use liquid chemicals like rubbing alcohol, but caution is in order there too.

The key is finding the right technician; there are some fantastic technicians who are members of this forum.

Good luck, and keep us informed.

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Otis S] #1961325
09/19/12 10:28 PM
09/19/12 10:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,860
USA
B
Bob Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Bob  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
B

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,860
USA
Not only should you voice the hammers, but regulate the action, file hammers, level strings, etc as well. Every few years, a piano in the home should have a major go over. Do you have a University close by with a large music dept? If so, call them and find out who takes care of those pianos. You do want someone with experience for the best results. This may be your technician, or it may not.




Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Otis S] #1961392
09/20/12 02:44 AM
09/20/12 02:44 AM
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Hi Otis,

People might be able to offer some first hand info if we knew were you were located.

Voicing and regulation are necessary every few years to keep a piano in top notch condition.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Otis S] #1961393
09/20/12 02:56 AM
09/20/12 02:56 AM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 27,427
Oakland
B
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
B

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 27,427
Oakland
If the piano is voiced properly at the outset, the hammers will require less voicing later, and they will last longer. The more maintenance that you do on a piano when it is fairly new, the less you will do in the long run.


Semipro Tech
Re: loud/bright piano; should it be voiced down? [Re: Minnesota Marty] #1961478
09/20/12 09:40 AM
09/20/12 09:40 AM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 204
O
Otis S Offline OP
Full Member
Otis S  Offline OP
Full Member
O

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 204
Thanks for all of the responses received so far.

Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty


People might be able to offer some first hand info if we knew were you were located.

I live north of New York City in Westchester County. There is certainly no shortage of piano technicians in this area. The challenge is to pick the right one. Perhaps I could follow Bob's advice and find out who voices the pianos at SUNY Purchase.


Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
DH Baldwin (Samick) Action Stack/Key
by TimM_980. 06/25/19 01:11 AM
In Praise Of The Original Yamaha AG N3
by cphollis. 06/25/19 12:42 AM
Hammer wear on Kawai console circa 1968
by extravagrant. 06/24/19 11:46 PM
Audio Book: How to Listen to and Understand Great Music
by TX-Bluebonnet. 06/24/19 11:06 PM
Prices Paid updated ...
by MacMacMac. 06/24/19 11:03 PM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics192,697
Posts2,841,768
Members93,708
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1