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USB Cable to connect CLP-150 to computer? #1926873
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I'm extremely confused by all the different types of USB cables. I want to be able to connect my Clavinova CLP-150 to my laptop computer via USB. Which USB cable should I buy? Thanks and sorry for the newbie question.

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Re: USB Cable to connect CLP-150 to computer? [Re: ggould] #1926917
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Originally Posted by ggould
I'm extremely confused by all the different types of USB cables. I want to be able to connect my Clavinova CLP-150 to my laptop computer via USB. Which USB cable should I buy? Thanks and sorry for the newbie question.


They are all pretty much the same. The piano has three round 5-pin MIDI connectors. called in, out and through. You only need to use in and out.

Get a cable like the maudio "uno" that has a pair of round DIN connectors on one end and a USB connector on the other. The UNO is nice because it has LEDs that let you see if data is moving in the cable. With MIDI the "in" on the cable goes to the "out" on the piano. Never plug two "INs" or two "OUTs together.

That's it. Buy an "Uno" or something like it and plug it in. Should "just Work" on the computer end the USB interface is standardized now and all Macs come with the required drivers and software built-in. I think newer Windows PCs have the drivers built-in now but you will need to acquire the software.

Here is a link Uno

That said you have another option

You will almost certainly need an audio interface, likely with a USB interface. Even if you don't think yu do, you do. Most of these have a MIDI to USB interface built-in. So if you get ione of these you don't need the above cable. It is much better to have everything in one box, not only to reduce cable-clutter but to with only the one cable going into the computer you can'r possibly have a ground loop.
You would then buy a pair of standard MIDI cables (round 5-pin pugs on each end.) to got from the box to the piano.

Here is one that I like: AudioBoxUSB
But there are others with about the same specs like this one US144mk2

Re: USB Cable to connect CLP-150 to computer? [Re: ggould] #1926921
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The CLP150 must have been one of the first Clavinovas to have a USB-to-host connection. How-to information is in the user manual.

Slide the "Host Select" switch to USB, connect a standard USB cable to the computer and the piano, and install the driver on your PC. The USB cable will be the same as you'd used to connect a printer ... type A plug on one end and type B plug on the other.

The original CD that came with the piano had drivers for older versions of Windows, stopping at Windows XP. If you have a newer version of Windows, get the newest driver from Yamaha's web site.

The manuals are online at http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/search.php?div=emi ... just enter the model number CLP-150 and you can get the owner's manual and installation guide.

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Thip page says this model should be able to connect to the computer via a straight USB cable (i.e. without the MIDI converter thingie, which can add lag, right?).

But it doesn't say what sort of USB cable you will need.

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Re: USB Cable to connect CLP-150 to computer? [Re: ggould] #1926953
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The MIDI converter does not add any lag. But, yes, you can connect without a MIDI converter ... just a USB cable.

There are generally three kinds of USB cable. All have a type A connector on one end ... the kind that plugs into a computer. The other end can have a type B ... which is what's needed here. Like this: USB cable

So it's easy. Get a USB connector with an A plug on one end and a B plug on the other. It's a standard printer cable ... though you'll need one long enough for your situation.

After you get this working, you might find that your computer sound card introduces too much latency. The freebie ASIO4All program can help. But if it's still not acceptable, you'll need an external sound card. One can be installed inside a desktop computer, or outside a laptop via a USB plug.

Most of these cards include MIDI connections ... so you could just use a MIDI cable (instead of a USB cable), with one end plugged into the piano's MIDI out and the other to the sound card's MIDI in. Like this: MIDI cable

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Thanks. The CLP-150 indeed can connect via straight USB. It does seem like a Type A to Type B USB cable is needed, like the one MAcMacMac linked to. Is there any difference between using the direct USB connection and using the MIDI connectors?

Okay so here is another newbie question:

Once I have the cable and the driver and I can transfer a MIDI file which I record on the Clavinova from the Clavinova to the computer, what can I do with it?

I basically just want to be able to hear my classical piano recordings on the computer, as they sound on the Clavinova (or better). It is my understanding that MIDI just contains information and no actual sound, so does this mean I will need computer software that will translate the MIDI to some other piano sound (not the Clavinova)? Is using this method the best option for what I want to do?

If I wanted to record via a digital camera instead, what would be the difference? Would this also be via MIDI?

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If you feed MIDI data into the computer, you'll still need software to produce sound. So use any of the many piano library packages. (Note: You're not limited to piano. There are libraries for all sorts of instruments. You can play guitar from a piano keyboard.)

Many of the piano libraries will produce better sound than any digital piano. Any digital at all. So, yes, I think that would satisfy your needs.

If you wish to record the sound produced by such a piano library ...

You can record digitally on the computer, with the plain-and-simple sound recorder that comes with Windows, or with any other package, such as the free but very capable Audacity program.

Or you can feed the computer sound output to any audio or video recorder, using just a cable connection.

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MacMacMac, how about connecting the Clavinova to a video camera instead of a computer, so that the sound produced by the Clavinova is recorded by the camera, simultaneously with video. Is that possible? If so, what kind of connection would that be?

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The piano will send sound from it Aux Out connection. You can feed that to the Aux Input (or Line Input) of any audio device.

But, unfortunately, video cameras tend not to have Line Inputs. Instead, they have Mic Inputs ... for a microphone. Since the signal amplitude from your piano's Aux Out is MUCH too high for that Mic Input, you'll get severe distortion in the video camera. So you'll need to cut the signal level with a "pad". Unfortunately, these tend to be expensive. But you can make your own for under $10.

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Hi,

I finally got the USB cable that MacMacMac suggested in the link above.

I installed the driver for Windows 7 from this page:

http://download.yamaha.com/usb_midi/

I installed the um3122x86.zip one.

Now, after I installed the driver, and connect the Clavinova to my computer, I see the driver in my Device Manager in Control Panel, but otherwise, nothing happens when I connect it.

How can I now transfer the files from the Clavinova to my computer? Am I supposed to be seeing a new drive in My Computer, like when I connect an external hard drive? Is something else supposed to happen when you connect the USB that is connected to the Clavinova?

Thanks for your help.

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I want to be able to connect my Clavinova CLP-150 to my laptop computer via USB.
But you did not say why.

If you're asking how to transfer files ... the manual for the CLP150 says you do that using a floppy disk.

Using the USB cable you bought and the USB/MIDI driver you installed, your piano is presented to Windows as a MIDI device. You generally don't transfer files with this type of connection. Instead, you play the piano and your piano library software produces the piano sound.

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Originally Posted by ChrisA
Originally Posted by ggould
I want to be able to connect my Clavinova CLP-150 to my laptop computer via USB


Buy an "Uno" ...

Here is a link Uno


Although this thread confirmed that all he needs is a standard USB printer cable, I also thought it was worth pointing out, for those who may want to use the standard MIDI connectors for some reason, that the Uno is about the only MIDI interface to not buy. As pointed out on the Sweetwater link you provided, the Uno has problems with Yamaha products. Any other similar interface should be fine.

This is why, in general, I always suggest avoiding the Uno. Even if you don't have a Yamaha product, you can't be sure you won't have one in the future, won't ever borrow a friend's, etc. Why choose the only interface with issues when you can get one without?

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Originally Posted by ggould
I basically just want to be able to hear my classical piano recordings on the computer, as they sound on the Clavinova (or better). It is my understanding that MIDI just contains information and no actual sound, so does this mean I will need computer software that will translate the MIDI to some other piano sound (not the Clavinova)?

You are correct that MIDI is just data, not sound. It is a record of the fact that, for example, you hit middle C with a given force and held it for some number of seconds. What does that sound like? By itself, nothing. But if you send that information back into the attached Clavinova, it will sound like the Clavinova. If you buy and attach some other keyboard in the future and play the same file into that new keyboard, it will sound like that keyboard. You can also have the MIDI file trigger virtual instruments, i.e. software in your computer, and it will sound like whatever computer instrument you have assigned it to. These other instruments don't have to be piano sounds... you can just as easily play the MIDI file back and hear it as played by organ, string sounds, brass sounds, whatever.

If you want an *audio* recording of your Clavinova performance, you don't use MIDI at all. You use the audio output of the Clavinova (the headphone jack will do, if it doesn't have other line outputs). You can record that into your computer, or any kind of audio recording device at all.

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If you're asking how to transfer files ... the manual for the CLP150 says you do that using a floppy disk.

Using the USB cable you bought and the USB/MIDI driver you installed, your piano is presented to Windows as a MIDI device. You generally don't transfer files with this type of connection. Instead, you play the piano and your piano library software produces the piano sound.


I would like to be able to transfer files.

The CLP-150 does not have a floppy drive. I believe you saw it in the manual because it is the same manual for both CLP-170 and CLP-150. It was my understanding that you can transfer MIDI files using the USB MIDI cable.

Upon further research, I discovered some software by Yamaha that is supposed to allow you to transfer files from the Clavinova to the computer in this link:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musi...talpianos/clp_series/clp-150/?mode=model

You can download "MusicSoft Downloader ver.5.6.1 for Windows". However, the sad thing is that this program does not seem to be recognizing the Clavinova, even though the driver is installed. It has a way to test ports, and I try all of them, but all of them fail.

Has anyone been able to successfully transfer files using the USB MIDI connection? Is there anything else I can do to transfer the files?

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