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New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 #1936554
08/02/12 07:30 PM
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Hi, i just wanted to know the opinions of everyone on this site about something, first, these are the facts.

1.-I am a beginner (but with a lot of determination about being a GREAT pianist) on a relatively low budget ($800 to $1000).
2.-I have a Yamaha P-85 that i like to play, it has some dings and scratches, nothing serious, works perfectly (bought it used).
3.-I haven't tried any other digital pianos (where i live, its fairly hard to try them in stores :()

So here's the thing. There is a guy that really wants my Yamaha P-85 (they're very rare where i live), and he's offering me enough money for it (i would also give him my M-Audio piano-like pedal), so i could buy a NEW Privia PX-130, that are on discount right now for a limited time.

the other thing is, i would really like to upgrade to a new and better sounding digital piano(something like one of those new PX-350 that are coming, or a Yamaha P-155) on December by selling the P-85 or the PX-130. Even tough im a beginner, i would really like a better sounding piano for keeping me motivated smile .

So, i have 2 options:
1.- Keep my P-85 until December, and hope to sell it on that same month, on used conditions, so i could afford a better and fairly more expensive DP.

2.- Sell my P-85 and buy the NEW Privia PX-130 this same week, so on December, it would be easier (actually, would it be?) to sell it(since it would be practically new because i take REALLY good care of my instruments) and then buying a better and a fairly more expensive DP

I hope i made myself clear :S, English its not my native language. Thanks in advance to everyone.

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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1936568
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I think I would keep the P-85 until the new Privias come out. You should definately play it and decide if you like it enough to buy it. You could then sell your P-85. If you bought a PX-130 now, you might have to discount it a lot more to sell it once the new Privias hit the market.

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1936573
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I agree. A used P85 will be worth about the same 4 months from now as today. A new PX-130 that you buy today, no matter how much you take care of it and how good a deal you get, will likely devalue by then. It is also by no means a given that you will like the sound or feel of the PX-130 better than that of the P85.

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1936602
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It sounds like the deal is that he can basically straight trade his visibly used P-85 for cash to cover a shiny new PX-130. If cash is tight and the offer is above normal, sell, and find some way to wing it for 13 weeks, using someone else's piano? Of course you better hope that you really do like one of the new boards better than your current one ...

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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1936981
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I don't know about the new Privias, if they changed the mechanics, but the biggest complaint has been a light action, not very much weight. So if you like a heavy action, I think the P-85 would have a heavier touch to it. You may want to go try the new Privia to make sure that's still true.

By the way, if you're looking to get a new board just for the sounds, have you considered hooking your keyboard up to a computer and using software sounds? If you like the feel of your keyboard, it's a cheaper option to upgrade software sounds than to keep buying a new keyboard to get better sounds.


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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1936994
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Thanks all of you for your answers!. I guess i'll keep my P-85, im almost sure i will be able to sell it on December so i can get a new one, and Brian, yes you're right, its more important for me the key action and mechanics, rather than sound.

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Brian Lucas] #1937002
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Originally Posted by Brian Lucas
I don't know about the new Privias, if they changed the mechanics, but the biggest complaint has been a light action, not very much weight. So if you like a heavy action, I think the P-85 would have a heavier touch to it. You may want to go try the new Privia to make sure that's still true.

Have you actually played these keyboards?? The P85/P95 GHS actions are not at all heavy. If anything, to me, they feel a bit lighter to play than the PX130/PX330/PX3. (And I prefer the Yamaha.)

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: anotherscott] #1937126
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Brian Lucas
I don't know about the new Privias, if they changed the mechanics, but the biggest complaint has been a light action, not very much weight. So if you like a heavy action, I think the P-85 would have a heavier touch to it. You may want to go try the new Privia to make sure that's still true.

Have you actually played these keyboards?? The P85/P95 GHS actions are not at all heavy. If anything, to me, they feel a bit lighter to play than the PX130/PX330/PX3. (And I prefer the Yamaha.)
I concur. I've not played a PX yet that felt lighter than a P85/95. Weight isn't everything, but the PX-130 has the advantage in "realness" of weight between the 2.

To the OP, since the PX-150 & P105 are going up in price, your decision isn't so obvious. I wouldn't make a change based on the idea of new or because of a few scratches, but here in the US, the P95 (price reduced) and PX-130 currently have the same street price. It sounds to me like your friend is willing to overpay for the P85. I'd consider taking the cash for the P85 and completing your own search for a replacement. Worst case, you end of with a nice new PX-130.


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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1937133
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For $800-$1000: Yamaha and Casio models
1. Yamaha P-155 with the latest Piano samples and GH keys - $1000
2. Yamaha DGX 640 with AWM stereo sampling, auto accompaniment and GHS keys - $750
3. Casio PX330 with AIF sound, auto accompaniment and Tri sensor scaled hammer action - $700
4. Casio PX350 (September release) with new AIR sound, auto accompaniment and new Tri sensor scaled hammer action - $800

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: anotherscott] #1937176
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Brian Lucas
I don't know about the new Privias, if they changed the mechanics, but the biggest complaint has been a light action, not very much weight. So if you like a heavy action, I think the P-85 would have a heavier touch to it. You may want to go try the new Privia to make sure that's still true.

Have you actually played these keyboards?? The P85/P95 GHS actions are not at all heavy. If anything, to me, they feel a bit lighter to play than the PX130/PX330/PX3. (And I prefer the Yamaha.)
I believe I tried the whole Yamaha line when I was shopping for a new board recently, and I've messed around with a friend's Privia. Not sure which model it is. Both feel pretty light to me. I prefer Roland action personally. The main point was to make sure and try it out before making a decision. It's not just what sounds better, but what feels better to you as well.


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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1937200
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@Vladimir: if your aim is to be a great pianist, I wouldn't choose neither of those you mention. They are both nice having in account they are light and can be carried easily (in fact I own a PX-135 for that purpose and I'm really happy with it).

But for serious daily hard work needed to be an accomplished pianist I'd save a little more money or ask for a bank loan and would buy a top line cabinet instrument, such as Roland HP-505, Kawai CA-65 or a Clavinova CLP-470 (that's in my opinion the minimum standard for serious work. If the digital one was meant to be my only practice instrument, I would buy an even higher model, HP-507, LX-15, CA-95, CLP-480, AvantGrand and such a thing). And sooner or later (not necessary at the beginning) I would save a bit more and end buying an acoustic grand, if possible. If not, a high end digital can do the work at least for a while.

If in your town isn't easy to find those models, maybe it's worth traveling to a bigger city in order to try them and been advised.

Best luck! smile

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: CarloPiano] #1937204
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I would unload the P-85 and then you could even wait a month and get a PX-150 if you do not want the sounds on the PX-350.

As time goes on, I find myself bothered more by the P-95 internal speakers. I chose the current pianos I have because of their portability and will do so again.

I myself am leaning towards a PX-350 and selling the P-95.
I find the PX-130 too good to part with in terms of it being able to interface with studio monitors and I like the Rhodes better than the Yamaha.

However, you could even decide to pursue a P-105 when available.

I feel as though your P-85 has the most value now before the upgrades are out, that is why I am out promoting to sell my P-95


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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1937206
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AvantGrand!!!!

For someone on a budget of $800-$1000. That's really stretching it.

Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1937207
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Originally Posted by Vladimir88
with a lot of determination about being a GREAT pianist

Sorry to break it to you dude, but you might have to lower your expectations on a "great" part, and a "pianist" part.
Digitals are not really suitable for a beginner in the first place, even the high-end ones, Casios and entry level Yamahas even less so.
Your best bet would be to use that 800-1000$ budget on a used acoustic. Make sure to find or hire a tech to evaluate it before bying.
If you still decide to stick with a digital, Carlo pretty much summed it up nicely for you. Though I would recommend buying a high-end software piano (like Vintage D or Ivory II), because internal sounds on a majority of digitals (exluding Korg) really suck.

Last edited by Kos; 08/04/12 07:16 AM.

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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Kos] #1937232
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Perhaps- I did play and learn on an acoustic for 13 years before even getting a synth and did not have a weighted digital for another 4 years, so I can see your argument for a digital perhaps not being the best avenue to learn on.
However, of course digitals can be more practical for many people with neighbors, housemates etc..


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Re: New Privia PX-130 vs used Yamaha P-85 [Re: Vladimir88] #1937291
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Whoa ,i really appreciate everyone's answers, i never thought i would get so many replies and in-depth help. I read and meditated every single reply. CarloPïano's answer made me think a lot, and i think i'll end up doing what he proposed, to buy a top line cabinet one or an acoustic that works perfectly, but not new.

I forgot to mention, i live in Mexico, and EVERYTHING is MUCH more expensive over here, and also, there aren't a lot different DP's to choose from, sadly. The only brand that sells for a good price (almost the same one as in USA), is Yamaha, so, maybe the Clavinova that Carlo would be the way to go (but i could still arrange an international shipping with musiciansfriend or some other good website for another brand).

Also, i've seen some acoustics that look good!, i saw a black upright Baldwin that looked gorgeous for $20,000 pesos (around 1300 USD), and the seller is a professional pianist that is well known in my city. So that would be a good option too!

I'm really grateful for all replies, i'm gonna keep in touch through this thread of what i'll do.
Hugs from Jalisco Mexico! (Enchilada's and Pozole birthplace).

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