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Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: gvfarns] #1933534
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@gvfarns: Thanks a lot, it was a useful feedback already. I wonder also if the extra $300 from the F110 are worth it. I guess so, because of the action. I will have to rent a u-haul as I live in the city and the piano is a little far. And I never tried that action, so that makes it a little harder, as I will probably have to buy it if I decide to go see it.

I am worried as the warranty expired. Should warranty considerations weight a lot? The owner seems serious, he bought for his daughter, and says it's in perfect condition. He also mentioned they had to fix a "new-piano glitch", which consisted in a loose electric cable (trying to get more details). Should I worry?

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Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: Marco Quanta] #1933564
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I personally wouldn't worry about the warranty or the loose wire or whatever that they had to fix when it was new. Everyone has a different view on warranties, though.

I feel your pain about the distance thing. Testing pianos before buying is very important, but it can be so dang inconvenient if you don't live in LA.

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I bought it. The guy was so generous to bring it to my place smirk and help me mount it, for the same price. Overall satisfied for now!

Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: Marco Quanta] #1933633
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I'd like to hook it up with some software for sampling. Never done something like that. Any suggestions?

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Congrats!

By "sampling" I assume you mean playing a software piano? If so, the cheap, excellent intro to software pianos is Galaxy Vintage D. Many people like (or prefer) Ivory II but it's more of an investment and you need to get an iLoc. The main Galaxy II suite is also great for variety, but IMO Vintage D is the best of the bunch. Run the USB cable from your piano to the computer, plug speakers into the computer, make sure you have ASIO drivers, and go for it.

You may also consider getting an external interface like Behringer UCA202, M Audio Fast Track Pro, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, Presonus Audiobox usb. The behringer is the budget one, but lacks some nice features of the others. First get started with your onboard audio, though.

Using software pianos is sometimes a hassle to get started with because of the computer aspect, but in my experience it's so worth it.

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Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: Marco Quanta] #1933784
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I'll second that point. I use the Vintage D about 99% of the time. I also have an older version of Ivory (v1.5). It has a nice Bosendorfer piano. And I recent bought the Sonivox Harpsichord for playing Bach.

These blow the doors off of any digital piano's native sounds.

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Thanks a lot! I will give feedback as soon as I try it out. Does it require lot of computational power? I have an old dual core I could just leave on the piano to use.

Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: Marco Quanta] #1933973
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That's what I use ... an old laptop. It's a six-year-old Core Duo 1.7 GHz with 2 GB RAM and a 330 GB 7200 RPM drive, running Windows XP. It's a slow poke compared to a modern laptop, but it's completely adequate for piano libraries. (Just don't try running Vista or Win 7 on a box like this.)

This laptop is dedicated to the piano. I don't use it for anything else.

Side note: To get low latency I had to add an outboard sound card. I use the Presonus Audiobox USB.

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I tried Ivory. Anyway:

1) Ivory, and also Galaxy (even if much cheaper) are too expensive for me. I am just a student and want to practice. Isn't there a decent, cheaper alternative?

2) The sampling lags. Do I really need to spend $200 on a soundcard?!?! Other solutions? And would this eliminate the problem 100% or will I just spend $200 to feel frustrated to death because it still lags?

3) How can I get arrangements and such to have some fun?

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Vintage D is currently $125-$139 depending on where you find it. That's what I would recommend.

There are some libraries for like $50 (think sampletekk) but there are two problems with them:

1. They are often from the last generation and lack partial pedaling and other goodies. That generation is the one that gave sampled pianos a poor reputation for playability.

2. They often do not come with a player and Kontakt player will only play affiliated stuff outside of demo mode.

On the latency thing, you should install ASIO4ALL and use it. That should reduce your latency to an acceptable level. Adjust the audio buffer until it is a small as possible without getting clicks and pops.

If that's not working and you want an external sound card, look to the Behringer UCA202. It's like $29.

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Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: gvfarns] #1936914
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Thanks a lot. The suggestions are very useful. Especially about ASIO4ALL and an affordable soundcard. For the sampling software I am still a little reluctant to spend more than $50 but I also believe I wouldn't be satisfied with sampletekk...

Re: P155 vs F120 vs CE220 [Re: Marco Quanta] #1937029
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I don't think $50 will buy a decent piano library.

For around $70 you can get Pianoteq, but it's not very good. But there are quite a few good ones in the $150 range.

Also, if you're willing to buy a proper sound card, that's another $150 new (but I spent half that for a used external sound card).

I can't see doing this for under $200 (even assuming you already have a computer and a sound system).

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