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What do you guys think? With furniture, the P155 costs more or less as much as the F120 (with the Roland rebate going on). I am really not sure which one I prefer yet.

Finally, do you think the CE220 justifies the extra difference in price? I don't know if anybody had the opportunity to try it. I haven't. Also, anyway, I feel like DPs depreciate too quickly and easily that I'd rather stick to the 1K budget.

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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
What do you guys think? With furniture, the P155 costs more or less as much as the F120 (with the Roland rebate going on). I am really not sure which one I prefer yet.

Finally, do you think the CE220 justifies the extra difference in price? I don't know if anybody had the opportunity to try it. I haven't. Also, anyway, I feel like DPs depreciate too quickly and easily that I'd rather stick to the 1K budget.

Thanks a lot!


At the $1K price point the P155 is the way to go. The CE220 has poor sound and the low-end Rolands have poor keys. The P155 has good key action and a very usable grand piano sound. (When I say "poor" I mean bottom on the line within the company's line of products. Roland make very good keys but you need at least a FP7F to get them. Kawai makes decent sound engines but you need to spend more to get one. The P155 has an audio system good enough from home practice. It can sound a lot better with larger external speakers

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Originally Posted by ChrisA
The CE220 has poor sound...


The CE220 sound engine is effectively the same as the CN33, which is a very popular mid-range digital piano.

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I don't know about CE220 but I bought CL36 few days ago, which is smaller brother of CN33 and I really love it. Perfect action and sound and if you don't care for other extras, you should consider it as well. It's quite difference regarding P155 here in Europe- it costs about 1200€ with stand and proper pedal. I paid 800€ for new CL36 which is great value in my opinion.

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I thought the keys on the FP7F kind of sucked. Very hard bottoming out. Here's a nice review of the CE220 you might be interested in.

http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2012/01/review-kawai-ce220-digital-piano.html







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@ChrisA: I actually had a P120 8 years ago and was really satisfied indeed. Although the F120 is more recent, and I didn't dislike the F110. They claim they have some Ivory feel G, I know it's not the same as PHAIII but I was hoping it wasn't so bad (I found the FP7F to be nice enough to play). So I was expecting the F120 to be decent and to compete with the P155. Moreover I thought it would be more valuable to resell as it will be newer.. the P155 will have been around for a while in a couple of years. Although from what you all guys say it's seems like P155 is a winner?

@jarosujo: cool. Although, do you think it justifies paying $800/900 more bucks? Almost 90% more!

@btcomm: I saw that review. Although he also praises the MP6 as a definitive winner which I actually didn't like too much, or even the Casio AP620 which I kinda dislike.

@everybody: does anybody think that having wooden keys makes a real difference? (mounted on the CE220).

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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
@everybody: does anybody think that having wooden keys makes a real difference? (mounted on the CE220).


Think in terms of different assemblies of the actions. Tuck Under vs Straight.



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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta

@jarosujo: cool. Although, do you think it justifies paying $800/900 more bucks? Almost 90% more!
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I don't understand what you mean. P155 with original stand and proper pedal costs 1250€ over here. Cl-36 costs 900€ (I got deal for 800€). They are both very nice instruments, but I am looking just for perfect action & sound. Don't care about other features that much, so CL-36 is winner for me. It is really excellent value for the money.

P.S. I just found out, that CL36 is not available in US, what a pity.


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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
@everybody: does anybody think that having wooden keys makes a real difference? (mounted on the CE220).


It's definitely different from other actions including RH. Whether it's the wood that is the cause of that difference or just the design (which is quite different from any other DP design, and more similar to acoustics) is not clear.

Notice that different doesn't necessary mean better. Most people here like the wood actions better, but I have heard those who prefer RH. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

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Let's see.. a quick (maybe nonsensical) poll. Would you go for:

1) used but in good condition and perfectly working F110 for $600 (no warranty, some scratches).
2) a new P155 for $1K
3) a new F120 for 1.2K
4) a new CE220 for 1.9K

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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
Let's see.. a quick (maybe nonsensical) poll. Would you go for:

1) used but in good condition and perfectly working F110 for $600 (no warranty, some scratches).
2) a new P155 for $1K
3) a new F120 for 1.2K
4) a new CE220 for 1.9K

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as you don't have a location listed on your profile and haven't made any mention of it, I'll presume you live in the states (if not, disregard this as I don't know that the vendor is international). Guitar center often runs coupons of up to 15% off (on average once a month) that apply to in-store purchases of yamaha digital pianos. Keep that in mind with pricing those, of course assuming you physically have access to a store

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Thanks a lot for the hint. Yes I live in the US and have access to a guitar center store. There's tax, still that would save some bucks. I don't see the offer/coupon on the website (I understand I have to go to the store anyway, but do they mention it somewhere?).

Yet, please state your pick on those 4 models, if you want, including the 5.5% (after tax) discount you mentioned.

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Oh come on, give me a poll! smile

Again, would you go for:

1) used but in good condition and perfectly working F110 for $600 (no warranty, some scratches).
2) a new P155 for $1K
3) a new F120 for 1.2K
4) a new CE220 for 1.9K

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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
@everybody: does anybody think that having wooden keys makes a real difference? (mounted on the CE220).


Think in terms of different assemblies of the actions. Tuck Under vs Straight.



could you elaborate please?

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@everybody: does anybody think that having wooden keys makes a real difference? (mounted on the CE220).


Think in terms of different assemblies of the actions. Tuck Under vs Straight.



could you elaborate please?


The Tuck Under action is a normal key with the rest tucked underneath. The other action is a straight stick which has the fulcrum half way and the actual action at the other end.





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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
Thanks a lot for the hint. Yes I live in the US and have access to a guitar center store. There's tax, still that would save some bucks. I don't see the offer/coupon on the website (I understand I have to go to the store anyway, but do they mention it somewhere?).

Yet, please state your pick on those 4 models, if you want, including the 5.5% (after tax) discount you mentioned.


I've only played a P-155 (which I own and enjoy) so I don't have much ethos in discussing the others. For the coupons, sign up for the newsletter on their website and you'll get email notices when coupons are released - as far as I'm aware, there are none out currently.

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Originally Posted by Marco Quanta
Oh come on, give me a poll! smile

Again, would you go for:

1) used but in good condition and perfectly working F110 for $600 (no warranty, some scratches).
2) a new P155 for $1K
3) a new F120 for 1.2K
4) a new CE220 for 1.9K


I guess if I had to choose from that list I'd go with the CE220. But you can get the same action in an older MP8II, which you can often find around. Not sure if it's cheaper or not.

But if you are less of a piano snob, the P155 is a great option.

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wow, nobody opted for the F110. I know it is probably the worse of those, but I was thinking that for the bucks it was a good deal. Now I'm not sure anymore.

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And would you think that a CE200 used but like new would still be worth $900?

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"Worth" depends on who is buying and what the circumstances are. I can only answer from my own personal perspective.

The AWA PRO II action is pretty durable, so it probably still works like a champ. It has the same action as the CE220 and I'm not one to care about onboard sounds--I always use a software piano. To me, action is the whole deal. I sold my P80 for $600 when it was 7 years old after buying it for $900. This is newer and was more expensive when new, so personally I think that's a good discount. In other words, if I was looking to buy and had the first three and a $900 CE200 to choose from, I'd go with the CE200.

I'm pretty poor/thrifty/stingy, though. So take that into account.

Of course, you should try it yourself and see if you like it...also there are probably lots of people with different opinions you might be interested in. Perhaps some other people will chime in with a contrary opinion.

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