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Hello everybody

I'm soon to get a new digitalpiano/masterkeyboard. All I care for is the keys really. As a longtime playing, classicaly trained pianist I'm picky about that. The sound does not matter since I'll use it with computer sounds anyway. I'll spend what I have to to get as expressive as possible a keyboard.
Here in switzerland there's no place where I can try out many different products, so I'd like to make sure not to miss any contenders smile
So far I've shortly played a Roland FP 7F and did like the keys. So that's already an option. Other than that I want to try the Kawai MP 6 and MP 10. If I can find one around I'll be checking the Numa Nero too, though I've read some discouraging comments about it.

Are there any news about the release date of the Casio Privia PX 150 and the Physis Piano? Would I do good to wait for these or are they in a lower segment than the aforementioned anyway? Any other options I missed out?

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You mention that you're classically trained and you're picky about the keys. That eliminates all of the pianos you've listed. Low-end and midrange pianos are playable, but their keyboards won't come close to what you get in a proper acoustic piano.

The only choices left are the Yamaha Avant Grand pianos, the N1, N2, N3. These have a true acoustic piano action. They range from approx. $7000 USD for the N1 to around $12000-$14000 for the N3 (US prices).

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If you're looking for "portability" and a great key touch, be sure to evaluate these (no particular order):

Roland RD-700
Kawai MP-10
Physis Piano (release in Europe this Fall) - be sure you evaluate the H1 (wooden key version)



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I think you are basically going the right way. People picky about keys buy wanting a digital (not a hybrid, like the Avant Grands) tend to go for either Roland's PHAIII keyboard, of which the FP7F is the cheapest example, or one of Kawai's actions. Remember that Kawai has two new actions out. The CA65 has the new GF wood action and the ES7 has the replacement for the RH action in the MP6. Probably the only big difference in the latter case is the addition of a third sensor, but a nice touch depends on the sensors as well as the physical keys.

Notice that people typically like Kawai or Roland, but not both. You might take another look around to see if you can sample a Kawai. Barring that, just pick up the FP7F. You already know you like it and there are no pure digitals that are unambiguously better.

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Originally Posted by goodkeys
So far I've shortly played a Roland FP 7F and did like the keys. So that's already an option. Other than that I want to try the Kawai MP 6 and MP 10.

You should also try the Yamaha CP5, which is closer to the Roland than the Kawais.

The MP6 and MP10 feel very different from each other. To me, the MP6 feels a bit like the Yamaha GH actions (CP33, P155, CP300).

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Thanks for the comments. If I'm not mistaken The RD-700 features the same keyboad as the FP 7F (the PHA III) so that's already covered. I'm definitely adding the Yamaha CP 5 to my list.

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Best touch - no bells and whistles?

...no such thing


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Some might say the discontinued Yamaha KX-88, though, being purely a MIDI controller board, it has no bells, whistles, pianos, or any other on-board sounds whatsoever.

The action, I'm told, is quite good.

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Originally Posted by Keegan
Best touch - no bells and whistles?

...no such thing


Not yet. wink


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Best touch no B's & W's ? Kawai MP-10 and Roland RD700NX ... without a doubt. RD700NX has best sound of any DP thrown in.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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Best touch - no bells and whistles?

...no such thing


Not yet. wink


Now is that a hint that somethings coming up? smile

It looks like I haven't missed any big contenders. Now it's the question whether to wait for the new Privia PXs and the Physis Piano or not. I guess I'll head into some shops and do some playing on the FP 7F, the MP 6/10, and the Yamaha CP 5. Then we'll see if a model does completely convince me...

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Originally Posted by goodkeys
Hello everybody

I'm soon to get a new digitalpiano/masterkeyboard. All I care for is the keys really. ....
So far I've shortly played a Roland FP 7F and did like the keys. So that's already an option. Other than that I want to try the Kawai MP 6 and MP 10..


You have already found the best ones. The FP7F is good but you might prefer the Kawia. Yamaha has much more firm keys. I think I'd call a CP50 or P155 a firmer version of Kauai MP6.

I think you may find that while you prefer light action on a grand piano with a digital you might like more weight. They are different instruments.

If you think of the DP as a different instrument then you don't see it as a poorer copy of a grand. A DP like the FP7F is actually better suited to making commercial music (sound tracks for videos, pop recordings and what not.) then is a grand.

Also the internal sound on the new Roland fp7f is good enough you will not need the computer most of the time.

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One more vote for MP6. And it is better than FP7 and CP50 as a master controller since it has pitch band and modulation, 4 external zones, etc. I play mostly classical and I love the keyboard. Believe it or not, I like it more than the wooden keyboard in my ex-Kawai CA63.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Keegan
Best touch - no bells and whistles?

...no such thing


Not yet. wink
It did exist; it just came and went. Bosendorfer made a few prototype CEUSmaster slabs that never found a place in the market. Like other hybrids, it had a real action, but unlike the others, it was from a full-sized concert grand, hammers and all. Also, it had no bells/whistles. It had 1 piano sound and a full set of connections for stage or computer use. I also think the price tag was like $30k +/-.
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My FP-7F is now at home and it makes me happy. But then I like its bells and whistles, too.


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Small remark, but big impact for me and perhaps others. I'm referring to the 'not yet ' of James. Since I , and I guess some others, have been looking for a really good old fashioned master keyboard for controlling SW instruments and outboard gear, I can't wait to see what it means. A master keyboard controller with RH II and somewhat portable (< 20kg) would be very welcome. But I'm not sure if the hint of James goes in that direction...he's probably already said too much , so that'll be all the hints we get I suspect.

Should I hold my breath ? or will I suffocate before anything materializes ..

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Kawia?? I guess the American Indians are now manufacturing pianos!
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You have already found the best ones. The FP7F is good but you might prefer the Kawia.

Kauai?? So I guess Hawaiians are now making pianos, too!
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I think I'd call a CP50 or P155 a firmer version of Kauai MP6.

I just couldn't resist. smile smile

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JFP, you'll just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
JFP, you'll just have to wait and see.

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What a tease...

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
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JFP, you'll just have to wait and see.

James
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What a tease...


Yeah, while I certainly appreciate the info I'm somewhat in a dilemma now smile Let's see how I feel about it after store-testing the aforementioned units. But James's tease sure does sound tempting

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My apologies, I didn't intend to make a difficult decision even harder.

Please disregard my comment.

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