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#1930382 - 07/21/12 05:23 PM Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430  
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Hey, guys,

I was researching some keyboards, and I was pretty satisfied with the tones from Roland HP505 and Yamaha CLP430, the price difference is about $1000 here in Brazil (I apologize for my English grammar, learned by myself).

The Roland one presents key technology called PHAIII, which seemed better for me when compared to GH3, from the Yamaha Series, which was created in 2003, and I dont know if it has changed much since then.
About these two, I have some questions :

1 - Which key technology is better: PHAIII or GH3?
2 - I've heard the Roland keys made a lot of noise, but I couldnt notice it since a drummer was playing next to me haha. Is it true when compared to the GH3?
3 - As far as I know, yamaha keys last a loooong time, they're pretty good (I have had a Yamaha P85 for 2 years and a half now, the keys are still intact). What about the Roland ones?

Thanks guys, I hope I've been clear enough. Since I've learned English by myself, I really suck sometimes.

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#1930384 - 07/21/12 05:39 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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Hello Vini. In answer to

1. They are both very well designed hammer weighted keyboards. Some people prefer Kawai's RM keyboard to those two. Personally, I prefer the feel of Roland's PHAIII. I tis a little lighter and yet reasonably similar to the feeling of a grand piano.

2. The Roland PHAII and PHAIII do make a noise when they hit the bottom, yes. It doesn't bother me at all, but it is harder are noisier than Kawai and Yamaha.

3. Both Roland and Yamaha are well known for robust construction. On this forum, you very rarely hear of problems with Roland digital pianos. But the 'ivory' surfaces to the keys ('Ivory Feel') has caused problems with a few users, but only, I think, a small minority.

Your English writing is really very good. I hope you get what you want in your search for a piano. I am certainly happy with the Roland I have, which is a model down from the one you're looking at, and from the previous series.


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#1930388 - 07/21/12 05:43 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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...by the way, both GH3 and PHAIII use three sensors, and a fairly similar mechanical technology, so they are both using the latest technology in that sense (these thing develop more slowly than computer technology).

So the choice of which is better, is which feels better to you.


Roland HP 302 / Samson Graphite 49 / Akai EWI

Reaper / NI K9 Ult. / Focusrite Saffire 24
W7, i7 4770, 16GB / Yamaha HS7s / HD598

Prudence is a rich ugly old maid courted by Incapacity. He who desires, but acts not, breeds pestilence.
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#1930398 - 07/21/12 06:24 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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I hear more people raving about PHAIII than GH3 here, but when I personally play them I personally have a hard time liking PHAIII. It's one of those things you kind of have to try before you know. Neither is unambiguously better or more advanced.

Action technology hasn't changed much since 2003. The sounds have changed, but not by as much as you might expect. I wouldn't necessarily think PHAIII is better because it is newer. One reason Yamaha has stuck with their same action is that it is pretty good.

As Toddy mentioned, the problem with Rolands is the ivory feel surface. In my opinion it feels yucky, and apparently it wears off pretty easily. I don't much care for Yamaha's ivory touch either but it's less obtrusive and more durable.

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#1930402 - 07/21/12 06:33 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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Hey,

First of all: thanks for answering.
About this Ivory Feel problem which hit some people, what's it about?
I really thought (at least while playing) the Roland one was better, but I know that Yamaha has a very lasting and trustful key technology, while I dont know much about Roland, except for some Ivory Feel problems posted on this and other forums. A friend of mine also recommended me Kawai CN43. He's from Europe, and the price difference over there is about 150 euros , not much. I found this piano here in Brazil, and the price difference from Yamaha CLP430 and Kawai CN43 is about - converting with recent monetary data - 1000 euros, which is alot for my budget. I didnt have the chance to test it out, and tomorrow will be Sunday, so the shops will probably be close. Is it much better than the Yamaha one? I'm looking for a keyboard which I wont need to exchange for, at least, 10 years, and which has a much better key technology than Yamaha P85.

Thank you for the help so far!

#1930414 - 07/21/12 07:06 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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Some people don't have a problem with the ivory feel. Lots of people, actually. But it seems to be a soft-ish material that easily gets scratched by fingernails and experiences other wear. Personally my problem with it is that I don't think it feels or plays better than regular plastic.

I think it's fair to say that any of the pianos you have mentioned here are better in every way than your P85. However, I don't think you should be in such a rush to order that you can't stop by a shop and get a feel for the different brands. There really is no consensus about which of the three pianos you have mentioned is best, but we have lots of people with fairly strong competing opinions. Best to form your own opinion and then buy rather than buy and regret it with probability 2/3.

Personally a 1000 dollar or 1000 euro difference between two pianos is a LOT. I think you are likely to want to go for the Yamaha, just for the savings. The 430 is a good piano.

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#1930415 - 07/21/12 07:11 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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All three of those are pianos with good reputation and construction. For me, the Roland wins because of its more advanced piano generating system (called SuperNatural) and the feel of the keys. But key feel is very subjective - many people prefer Kawai.

I think a lot of people have Roland ivory keys and do not have a problem with it - a few clearly have had a problem, though.

As far as I'm concerned, I would have got an ivory feel (I loved the touch) but it was much more expensive. The piano I have has standard resin keys (as found on most acoustics) and so I haven't had this problem, obviously.


Roland HP 302 / Samson Graphite 49 / Akai EWI

Reaper / NI K9 Ult. / Focusrite Saffire 24
W7, i7 4770, 16GB / Yamaha HS7s / HD598

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#1930416 - 07/21/12 07:14 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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Hey,

Yeah, I felt the same, they're all MUCH better than the P85. I'm not actually in a rush, even though it feels like. It's that I live in a very far town from São Paulo, and I only go there once in a month, or something, so I don't have frequent chances to test them out.

I really didnt think the CN43 would be that expensive, but if it's still better than the CLP430 (specially the key technology), I think it's worth the money (even if I have to work harder ): ). And what's the difference between the CLP430 and CLP440?

Sorry for the many questions, I really think it's worth researching and testing before buying, and here's a great place for the first one! Thanks again so far! (:

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#1930417 - 07/21/12 07:17 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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I totally agree with gvfarns - if the Yamaha is around 1000 dollars less than the other two, then there's no competition. That's an enormous difference for a piano of equivalent quality to the other two.

You could also try Roland HP 503, Kawai CN33 or one of the previous Roland HP series (if they have old stock). It would be a lot cheaper, but very similar quality and specification.


Roland HP 302 / Samson Graphite 49 / Akai EWI

Reaper / NI K9 Ult. / Focusrite Saffire 24
W7, i7 4770, 16GB / Yamaha HS7s / HD598

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#1930463 - 07/21/12 09:16 PM Re: Roland HP505 VS Yamaha CLP 430 [Re: Vini Silveira]  
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Hoping for anwers about the Kawai one, and differences between CLP 430 and 440. Thanks!


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