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I read up to 'spiritual freedom'. [what, no eyeroll smiley?]
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Bach - Two-part Invention No. 14
Chopin - Prelude in E minor - Op. 28, No. 4
Notenbuch für Nannerl - Tempo di menuetto in F (Anonymous)
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If everybody plays together at 432 Hz then I fear that the whole Earth will resonate uncontrollably and break apart. Verdi had this concern as well, which is why he insisted on this Requiem to be performed a little bit higher in pitch to be safe.
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An interesting interview...
I remember a few years back when I got into a discussion about Western tuning vs Eastern tuning with an Indian sitarist. According to him, the instrumentalists tune their instruments to where the vocalist's preferred pitch is on that particular day, rather than tuning to some fixed pitch like we do here in the West.
Joe Gumbosky Piano Tuning & Repair www.morethanpianos.com (semi-retired) "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -Marcus Aurelius
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An interesting interview...
I remember a few years back when I got into a discussion about Western tuning vs Eastern tuning with an Indian sitarist. According to him, the instrumentalists tune their instruments to where the vocalist's preferred pitch is on that particular day, rather than tuning to some fixed pitch like we do here in the West. I work with traditional Persian singers and it's the same. We decide to play some piece in, say, C major. Depending on the mood and diet of the singer that may translate into anything from Bb major to D major, so I always come prepared with transposing instruments. Did you know that the A=440 standard was first proposed (and rejected at the time) by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939? Kees
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An interesting interview...
I remember a few years back when I got into a discussion about Western tuning vs Eastern tuning with an Indian sitarist. According to him, the instrumentalists tune their instruments to where the vocalist's preferred pitch is on that particular day, rather than tuning to some fixed pitch like we do here in the West. I work with traditional Persian singers and it's the same. We decide to play some piece in, say, C major. Depending on the mood and diet of the singer that may translate into anything from Bb major to D major, so I always come prepared with transposing instruments. Did you know that the A=440 standard was first proposed (and rejected at the time) by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939?Kees [ Emphasis added] I did not. The plot thickens 
Joe Gumbosky Piano Tuning & Repair www.morethanpianos.com (semi-retired) "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -Marcus Aurelius
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An interesting interview...
I remember a few years back when I got into a discussion about Western tuning vs Eastern tuning with an Indian sitarist. According to him, the instrumentalists tune their instruments to where the vocalist's preferred pitch is on that particular day, rather than tuning to some fixed pitch like we do here in the West. I work with traditional Persian singers and it's the same. We decide to play some piece in, say, C major. Depending on the mood and diet of the singer that may translate into anything from Bb major to D major, so I always come prepared with transposing instruments. Did you know that the A=440 standard was first proposed (and rejected at the time) by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939?Kees [ Emphasis added] I did not. The plot thickens Now that we got that out in the open and given the allied victory of 1945, is there any reason we should still put up with this fascist A=440 standard? While we're at it: the ET standard is the result of a conspiracy by the Illuminati that were also responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and results in our brainwaves being subtly altered by unequal beating intervals in the mystical twelfth root of 2 ratio which makes us become puppets of the secret rulers of the earth. Did you know that the twelfth root of 2 is two to the power 1/12 and if you mistype it on your calculator you will get 2/12 which is 0.16666666666666 and 666 is the number of the devil? If we'd all start tuning at A=432 in UT we'll finally be liberated from the Illuminati and their extraterrestrial brainwashing backers. The big question is how does the CHAS tuning fit into this? Is it aligned with humanity of with the extraterrestrials? Kees
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Kees, You raise interesting questions. Check out www.love528.com for answers to all these questions.
"Imagine it in all its primatic colorings, its counterpart in our souls - our souls that are great pianos whose strings, of honey and of steel, the divisions of the rainbow set twanging, loosing on the air great novels of adventure!" - William Carlos Williams
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An interesting interview...
I remember a few years back when I got into a discussion about Western tuning vs Eastern tuning with an Indian sitarist. According to him, the instrumentalists tune their instruments to where the vocalist's preferred pitch is on that particular day, rather than tuning to some fixed pitch like we do here in the West. I work with traditional Persian singers and it's the same. We decide to play some piece in, say, C major. Depending on the mood and diet of the singer that may translate into anything from Bb major to D major, so I always come prepared with transposing instruments. Did you know that the A=440 standard was first proposed (and rejected at the time) by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939?Kees [ Emphasis added] I did not. The plot thickens Now that we got that out in the open and given the allied victory of 1945, is there any reason we should still put up with this fascist A=440 standard? While we're at it: the ET standard is the result of a conspiracy by the Illuminati that were also responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and results in our brainwaves being subtly altered by unequal beating intervals in the mystical twelfth root of 2 ratio which makes us become puppets of the secret rulers of the earth. Did you know that the twelfth root of 2 is two to the power 1/12 and if you mistype it on your calculator you will get 2/12 which is 0.16666666666666 and 666 is the number of the devil? If we'd all start tuning at A=432 in UT we'll finally be liberated from the Illuminati and their extraterrestrial brainwashing backers. The big question is how does the CHAS tuning fit into this? Is it aligned with humanity of with the extraterrestrials? Kees , maybe you're right, the Nazi regime was imposed on us, except this is YOU wrote has also Masonic attributes ( 2/12 which is 0.16666666666666 and 666 is the number of the devil?), but can not be undone overnight, had already created the people in these hertzes. Because thrown out all from history (music created A = 440). That would be silly, I'm think
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432 or 440? The ear of a normal person would not notice much difference. If you turn two digital tuner at the same time, we do not hear more than 1-2 beats per second between them. In terms of the discussion that it is better or worse is absurd. Any aesthetic of sound has the right to exist
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432 or 440? The ear of a normal person would not notice much difference. If you turn two digital tuner at the same time, we do not hear more than 1-2 beats per second between them. In terms of the discussion that it is better or worse is absurd. Any aesthetic of sound has the right to exist
[Emphasis added] I think it would be 8 beats per second. 432 or 440? The ear of a normal person would not notice much difference. If you turn two digital tuner at the same time, we do not hear more than 1-2 beats per second between them. In terms of the discussion that it is better or worse is absurd. Any aesthetic of sound has the right to exist
[Emphasis added] I completely agree.
Joe Gumbosky Piano Tuning & Repair www.morethanpianos.com (semi-retired) "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -Marcus Aurelius
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432 or 440? The ear of a normal person would not notice much difference. If you turn two digital tuner at the same time, we do not hear more than 1-2 beats per second between them. In terms of the discussion that it is better or worse is absurd. Any aesthetic of sound has the right to exist
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Anything other than 440 is simply a conspiracy to confuse people with perfect pitch.
Those who want a lower pitch can drive away from the concert at high speed and enjoy the doppler transposition.
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If everybody plays together at 432 Hz then I fear that the whole Earth will resonate uncontrollably and break apart. Well, that certainly does it for me then. 'No more of that dangerous 432 Hz tuning! No sir! 'Don't want the Earth breaking apart 'cause of something I did. 
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The loss in solicitation of wire raise the iH if the piano is tuned lower. I also have seen some "heartbeat tuning" . Each one may tune his own piano to the rhythm of its own heart, that sound reasonable. If it allow to make a few bucks I vote for it 
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Did you know that the A=440 standard was first proposed (and rejected at the time) by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939?
Kees
One of my colleagues often calls ET the "Nazi" temperament, the "new order" to be imposed on all music with an iron fist and a heavy boot. It reminds me of the phrase from George Orwell's "1984": "You want a vision of the future, Winston? Imagine a boot stepping on a face forever." Funny how the ET only crowd likes to practice the same revisionist history [of tuning] written about in that novel. ET is in tune. ET is now, has always been and will always be the only way to tune a piano. I have seen something before about 437 pitch as being somehow in harmony with the universe or some such wild theory. Interesting how the Europeans keep wanting to push the pitch higher, not lower. From time to time, this link to the UK Piano Page has been brought up. It is always fascinating to read: http://www.piano-tuners.org/history/pitch.html
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Higher pitch : more power, less iH, cleaner tone.
On old pianos the higher the tension the higher the wire elasticity is, is the more set the pin (up to some point of course but I find less easy to set the tuning if the tone is 1/2 tone low, for instance)
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There was nothing “imposed onto music†but rather it was the choice of mainstream to go a particular way in this performance art form.
It was an international conference that recommended A above middle C to be tuned at 440Hz in ’39.
The International Organization for Standardization took this up in 1955 as a technical standard and then reaffirmed in 1975 as ISO 16.
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Yes Dan, that is the "standard", but I gave a call to Selmer to know about, and they told me they "tune" their brass instruments to 442 when they are to be used in Europe, and to 440 for USA..
I dont know if it only is done with the reeds or if the body of the instrument differs (that would be a problem for musicians)
The same happens with xylophone or metallophone, the pitch is often engraved on the last blade, for that reason.
Those are just habits no one can say really where thy come from.
That said, in Paris the orchestra of Pierre Boulez plays at 440
(Orchestre INtercontemporain) The only place (but the occasionalvisit of an American orchestra or sometime pianist) where the rented pianos are to be tuned 440 - hopefully they have their own instruments for concerts and studios, but the company that rent them concert grand occasionally keep some at 440 to avoid instability problems.
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Well for my next solo piano CD, I'm going to give everyone an aneurism by tuning to 432 in EBVT.
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