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The Beethoven Sonatas and Chopin Etudes are good but... #1929160
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what if they had more fun titles like some jazz pieces.

Here are a few names of pieces from a thread at Pianophilia:
The Fingerbuster, Bats in the Belfry, Piano Puzzle, Omeomy, Get Lucky, Dansopation, Dustin The Keys, Never Swat A Fly, Every Night I Cry, Breakin' The Piano, Sunshine From The Fingers, Squeeze Me, Nimble Fingered Gentleman, Parade Of The Sandwich Board Men, All-Of-A Twist, Beetle In The Bottle, The Errant Errand Boy, Eskimo Shivers, Fascinating Ditty,Ladybird Lullaby, Funny Peculiar, Tick Tac Doe, The Cat's Pajamas, Tricky Trix, Zaza, Tut Tut, Piano Poker, How-Wah-Ya, I Gotta Find Ne A Momma, One Finger Joe, Feel That Mule, Sho' Is Hot, I Keeps My Kitchen Clean, Greenwich Witch, Toadie Toddle, etc.

Or maybe Beethoven should use Fats Waller type of instructions, e.g.,Tempo di Barrel of Scotch, Tempo Di-Sturb De Nneighbors, Largo de Morbid, Marcato Moderato Martini De Gin Mill, Tempo di Naughty Groovy, Tempo di Fats, etc.?

So... do you have any suggestions for renaming some of the Beethoven Sonatas(or any classical piece)using a title like the ones I listed? Don't be shy now!

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Re: The Beethoven Sonatas and Chopin Etudes are good but... [Re: pianoloverus] #1929165
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Title does not mean anything....

We heard and fell in love to, say, Revolutionary etude before we even know the name. I do not think by having catchy title will make people like the music more.

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Books and movies often have creative titles so that we know what they are about before watching them. It helps us decide what we do and don't want to watch.

Beethoven wrote 32 Sonatas; how are we supposed to know what they sound like, what they're about, etc, without listening to them? How do we know if we're actually going to like some particular "Sonata" any more than another?

It would be like calling every single comedy movie simply "Comedy #1", "Comedy #5", or every horror movie "Horror #2", "Horror #3". Or it would be like calling every book "Historical Fiction #1", "Fairy Tale #576", etc. To a certain extent, knowing both the genre and the creator helps us to know if it's something we might enjoy, but the creative titles can also be helpful.

Although, to a certain extent, the element of surprise is also important. I almost never read the backs of movie boxes before watching a movie. I like to enter the film not knowing anything about what is coming. But, on the other hand, there are definitely movies I don't like, and knowing the title will sometimes help me choose one over another. (On the other hand, titles sometimes don't help; the same title could equally be used for a comedy, a horror, or a documentary.)

With classical music, I rarely have that choice, because creative titles just weren't really a thing for so many composers. I'd be curious to know, in fact, how the tradition of simply naming pieces after the form or genre came about; it's a curious thing that is very different from literature and film.


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(I know I didn't answer your question, but a little philosophizing now and then is also not bad! wink )


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I think he was making a joke, guys.

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Originally Posted by CleverName
I think he was making a joke, guys.
Of course. But I hoped, based on your username, you were going to be the first to suggest some good renamings of some Beethoven Sonatas?


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I know Chopin etudes already have their names but I was learning two from opus 25, and I can't remember how it started but my teacher and I kept calling them, the drunken étude (no. 5) and the scary étude (12), and somehow the names got stuck. So every now and then she would enquire how's the drunken and scary études going?

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Originally Posted by albynism
I know Chopin etudes already have their names but I was learning two from opus 25, and I can't remember how it started but my teacher and I kept calling them, the drunken étude (no. 5) and the scary étude (12), and somehow the names got stuck. So every now and then she would enquire how's the drunken and scary études going?

Are you sure the scary etude isn't op.25 #10?

-J


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Originally Posted by CleverName
I think he was making a joke, guys.


I think so, too, and it was quite funny. But even from jokes we can learn something.


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I actually don't like the names. They sound a little cheap to me. Numbers and keys are good enough for me. But I suppose that names mean a lot to the general public.

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Originally Posted by beet31425
Originally Posted by albynism
I know Chopin etudes already have their names but I was learning two from opus 25, and I can't remember how it started but my teacher and I kept calling them, the drunken étude (no. 5) and the scary étude (12), and somehow the names got stuck. So every now and then she would enquire how's the drunken and scary études going?

Are you sure the scary etude isn't op.25 #10?

-J


Yes, there are several Chopin etudes well deserved of that title! grin

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Originally Posted by RonaldSteinway
Title does not mean anything....



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Originally Posted by pianojerome

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With classical music, I rarely have that choice, because creative titles just weren't really a thing for so many composers. I'd be curious to know, in fact, how the tradition of simply naming pieces after the form or genre came about; it's a curious thing that is very different from literature and film.

An exception would be poetry. Shakespeare's sonnets, for example, have no titles. It's another interesting question -- why titles are required for short stories, novels, etc. but not poems.

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Try nearly all of them.. lol smile (Edit: re: Chopin Etudes renamed "Scary")

In honor of the thread, I went back and played through a few Beethoven sonatas today. I have since renamed the Pathetique the "Son of a B****" in C-minor. Since we all like a little historical background, I have renamed it thus, because this is what I said every five measures or so when I made a mistake.

Cheers! smile

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LvB's op. 31, 1-3, should get renamed SKJ 206, HN9V9, and 225S, respectively. Or maybe Elantrix, Segwapiti, and Teslamatic.

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Originally Posted by dsch
I actually don't like the names. They sound a little cheap to me. Numbers and keys are good enough for me. But I suppose that names mean a lot to the general public.
Lots of jazz pieces are supposed to be unmitigated fun and dance music. That's why clever or humorous titles are more appropriate.

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names don't add to the evaluation/value of a piece of art, La Gioconda/Mona Lisa, who cares, maybe she was called MaryLou, and Leonardo called her Cara/Mostro


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
names don't add to the evaluation/value of a piece of art, La Gioconda/Mona Lisa, who cares, maybe she was called MaryLou, and Leonardo called her Cara/Mostro

This is certainly true, but we must also consider that societies name the things that they value most.. so perhaps, psychologically, it makes sense (if for marketing purposes only), to name things.


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marketing purposes, argh, this is about ART


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
names don't add to the evaluation/value of a piece of art, La Gioconda/Mona Lisa, who cares, maybe she was called MaryLou, and Leonardo called her Cara/Mostro
I thought it was clear by now that I wasn't seriously suggesting the Beethoven Sonatas be renamed because that was necessary. Nor do I or most consider the minor ditties listed in the OP as "works of art".

I do think the titles are very clever/amusing and add to their overall appeal. I thought it would be an amusing exercise to make believe you were someone like Fats Waller and were trying to find a name for some Beethoven Sonata.

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