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#1920677 - 06/29/12 02:57 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]  
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Hi 10
Lesson 39 is Giant Steps by Trane. Harmonic movement is in maj 3rds: B maj7 to Eb maj 7 to G maj 7.


Ah, I see, I wondered when that was coming. The progression is weird, but thanks for explaining it.

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Yes the F#7 is hard, even harder when you drop the A# to the bottom note to enable you to hold down the minim for the full 2 beat value.


That kind of thing doesn't bother me any more. If you are playing a two-manual organ and you have the chords and solo on a different setting, then fine. On a regular piano, that ain't no minim.

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The melodic content of your improv was nice. How long have you spent on Lady Be Good ? If you are not sick of it, I would also learn the head in either F maj or G maj as some extra practice for ear training.


Thanks for listening. Good idea, that should keep me busy for a few days.

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If you are sick of it, you can do more C maj songs. If you want easy, you can try Lady Bird. If you want slightly harder, you can try Satin Doll.


I feel like I may as well do the easy things first. I'm going on holiday next week, and when I get back, I'll look at Lady Bird. I do want to do Beautiful Love too, though.

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#1920850 - 06/29/12 06:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]  
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Hello
Please find my Lesson 32 Hanon @ 100 bpm. I'd value your feedback. Thank you.

https://www.box.com/s/4ec74a3710c2945e1dc1

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Sounds perfect, Amelia! That one is great for switching between scale and arp when soloing.

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Thanks 10. That was the first wide one, and the most difficult for me. That's why my challenge tempo dropped down to 100 bpm.

I spent a month on it so will go onto a new one tomorrow.

I forgot to wish you a nice holiday.
btw have you finished your jazz course at Leeds University ?

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Custard, I found my usual time wasn't enough for this hanon, but I just kept going back to it. The bpm on some of these hanon's goes right down. But they do reinforce the scales in the fingers.

Jazz course at Leeds? I didn't even know I was doing one! laugh There was a course on teaching the ABRSM jazz syllabus at Leeds, but I couldn't make it as the travel was a nightmare. I decided just to sit grade 1 instead. Interesting experience. You'll be glad to hear I passed!

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Thanks 10 and Cus for actually encouraging me to scat. My son finds it somewhat embarrassing when I publicly lapse into vocal gyrations. Well. No. No actually, he finds it immensely embarrassing. He thinks I'm... a... HAM!!!!

Anyway 10, great work on a tune four times more challenging than my own. Things really do increase in frequency, duration, intensity, and complexity. Otherwise, it's a piece of cake. An extraordinarily large piece of cake.

Also, I can't believe you sang the whole thing. The Wes Montgomery blues strut fest was so sultry, so suave, so sensitively and specifically sung that I slowly and steadily succumbed to the shake, rattle, and roll. Still, I remained fully clothed, in uniform.

And, Cus, thanks for giving me another glimpse of Christmases yet to come. To my ears, you've really mastered the rhythms and intricacies of these exercises. Onward and Outward!

And now, on to lesson 9: Offward and Inward!!!


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#1921654 - 07/02/12 04:43 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]  
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Hi Norm, I can't really believe I sang it all either. There were a couple bars in the middle I was pretty sketchy on. I'm not doing quite so much on each solo. I am wondering though, if I should start putting the solos on the instrument, because my own improv sounds is sounding very same-old-same-old to my ears. Like I'm stuck in a rut.

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Hey 10
If I really like a phrase, I will transcribe the RH melody on the piano.
You can also transpose the phrase into different keys.

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Cus,

Very nice hanon. This seems to be a sustain tempo for you. What's your challenge tempo?
Those are really tough.

How did you do the reverb? Sounds like you're at Carnegie Hall smile

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Thank you Norm and Knotty for listening to my Hanon.
My challenge tempo for this one was 100 bpm, I recorded 2 versions and posted the perfect one. When I posted it, I thought "wow Knotty must be so good to do the Bird stuff, like Perhaps, which is so much harder than this Hanon".

The next Hanon is easier in that the intervals are all close together again.

My piano is in a huge tiled room with no doors or barriers. The only thing I do with recording nowadays is just to normalise it in Audacity. But when I sing a standard, I sometimes don't even normalise it, as it makes my singing even harder to understand.

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As the hanon's continue, some are harder, some are easier. I get the easier ones up to speed and then go back and work on the harder ones. The ones, like this, that are a larger chords, I find it helps go take my hand through the scale as block chords before doing it as a hanon. That way, the fingers cover the notes they need to play.

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Hi Knotty
I just wanted to let you know why I haven't posted On Green Dolphin Street. I achieved my one month learning objective but would like to spend an extra week on it to get it up from 72 bpm to 88 bpm.
If I don't speak to you before your camp, I wish you an awesome time.

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Hi guys and gals, I am away on holiday now for a week. Happy tinkling till I get back! Knotty, if you're away at camp, have a great time. Is this golf or piano?

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PIano :-)

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Friends,

Sunday afternoon is the Aebersold audition, I'm not taking it super seriously but, I would like to ask you out of 2 options, which to play for them.

First option:
Another you - [removed]

2nd option
Blues in F - [removed]

I just recorded those this morning in 10 mins, mistakes and all. I cut the head of Another you short.

The final option is to just ask the bass player there to play with us, at which point I can just play anything I feel like, and obviously not do the walking bass line, but I thought maybe they'd dig it if I played solo. Plus solo makes it easier to improvise an intro and ending.

Thoughts?

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Hi Knotty

Both pieces are quite cool. But "Another You" is an absolute treat, with delicious pauses and tasty spaces between the notes. So for me, it's Beauty over Barrelhouse.


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Thanks Norm!

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Sorry Knotty. I couldn't open the links.
Did Another You feature your arrangement of the head ? From what I have heard of your arrangements, they are captivating.

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Hi Knotty
Exhausted after camp ? I would need a full week of sleep to recover.
Here I try On Green Dolphin Street, the cool standard by Kaper & Washington @ 88 bpm.

I'd be grateful for your feedback.

https://www.box.com/s/668f52bfb12c2faec41b

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Cus,

This is a really nice solo.
I like how you're using all of the concepts like smudge notes, repeats, long lines, short lines, all that. You did a few nice enclosures here and there and that was cool too.
I would start adding triplets to your lines. Just one here and there.

Have you played all the things you are yet?


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Hi Knotty
Many thanks for your time in listening to and commenting on Green Dolphin.
I'd like to spend another day on it to get thematic improv going, usually when I do thematic improv, I lose the form, or I lose the counting in 4s.

No I haven't learnt All the Things You Are. It sounds very difficult, one I could spend a life-time exploring. I look forward to tackling it. I think it will take me 3 months rather than my usual one month.

Thanks again.

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Cus,

I think you are ready to tackle All the things you are. It's not as hard as you might think. It's just a bunch of 251s in 4 keys I think, and no real big surprise. It's all major throughout, so not hard to understand. It is a somewhat long form, but you'll do just fine.

What do you call thematic improv? Do you mean playing outside like Dave's masterclass?

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Hi Knotty
By thematic improv, I mean using one idea (what I call global repetition). One motif/ shape/idea links all the other motifs e.g. Rollins, Trane, Pilc.
This does not preclude the local repetition that I've been doing since the start of this year.

I have a question for you about triplets. I find they tend to muck up my counting in 4s. Is the counting in 4s concept temporarily suspended when you are doing triplets ?

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Originally Posted by custard apple
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Exhausted after camp ? I would need a full week of sleep to recover.
Here I try On Green Dolphin Street, the cool standard by Kaper & Washington @ 88 bpm.

I'd be grateful for your feedback.

https://www.box.com/s/668f52bfb12c2faec41b


Wow, custard, that's inspiring! 3hearts You have been working hard, working well.

What are enclosures?

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Thanks 10. Welcome back, hope you enjoyed your holidays, and the UK weather wasn't too bad hehe.
Yeah I always work much better after holidays.
Enclosures are a bebop device which use chromatics to target a note. So for example if your chord tone or target note is G, you can play F Ab before the G. Besides sounding cool, enclosures help you extend your line.

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Ah, got it, thanks.

Weather was OK. We were fully prepared for a week of DVD's and monopoly. As it was, we were able to get out some of the time. Good change of scenery.

Is knots still at piano camp? Keen to hear all about it when you have time.

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I'm hoping Chris or another buddy videoed your end of week concert !

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>>I have a question for you about triplets. I find they tend to muck up my counting in 4s. Is the counting in 4s concept temporarily suspended when you are doing triplets ?

Yes The triplets are stright. No feeling in 4s, Hopefully, you get right back on the train.
The tendency when playing triplets is to rush a little, so you want to make sure that you keep them nice and cool. DF uses Tennessee when saying triplets.

>>Is knots still at piano camp? Keen to hear all about it when you have time.
I'm back, and had a blast. You will be there next year !! wink

>>I'm hoping Chris or another buddy videoed your end of week concert !
Nobody loves me frown

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Originally Posted by knotty
>>I have a question for you about triplets. I find they tend to muck up my counting in 4s. Is the counting in 4s concept temporarily suspended when you are doing triplets ?

Yes The triplets are stright. No feeling in 4s, Hopefully, you get right back on the train.
The tendency when playing triplets is to rush a little, so you want to make sure that you keep them nice and cool. DF uses Tennessee when saying triplets.



Thanks for your advice Knotty. My current Hanon is totally triplets. I will post soon so that you can tell me whether I'm rushing.

For All the Things You Are, do you remember which record you chose for learning the head ?

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