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#1954305 - 09/05/12 02:42 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Wow, amazing picture, Mike!

Yesterday I wrote to the only local authorized distributor of Casio pianos (masmusika.com, facebook.com/MASMUSIKAecuador) and they said they have no idea when the new models will come to Ecuador.

Maybe someone in Casio can drop them a line so at least they'll be able to give an ETA? Currently they only carry the AP-220 and the PX-330 w/stand.

I'll keep bugging them. smile

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#1955062 - 09/06/12 08:37 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
We're shooting videos and recording audio demos this week and next so we should have those posted before the new models begin shipping.


So ... shipping week of Sep 17th? [Linked Image]

#1955063 - 09/06/12 08:38 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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I think the week of Sept 24th, if its sooner I'll let you know.


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#1955084 - 09/06/12 09:27 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
I think the week of Sept 24th, if its sooner I'll let you know.


Mike Martin, would it be possible to use the SP 32 with the PX-350?


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#1955113 - 09/06/12 10:32 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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No unfortunately not.


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#1955117 - 09/06/12 10:48 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Does that mean we can expect to hear them at our Guitar Center/Sam Ash stores then or before? If I am in NYC the 22nd would I be able to try one out then at the various brick and mortar stores?


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#1955145 - 09/07/12 12:08 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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As I said before, I believe we are shipping to stores the week of the 24th, so I'm not sure you'd see one in a store on the 22nd.


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#1955601 - 09/07/12 07:52 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Hi Mike,
Any idea when the AP650M will be shipping? Thanks for all the helpful Casio information.
Steve

#1956147 - 09/08/12 10:10 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Nevermind then.

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#1956155 - 09/08/12 10:38 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: BrokenChord]  
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No, AFAIK, the 135 doesn't have anything to do with the new Casio DP's, also, Mike Martin said the DP's would be released around September 22 or 24.

#1956180 - 09/09/12 12:06 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Vladimir88]  
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Its an exciting time with the x50 series, krome and 105 coming out. I enjoyed reading the 350 manual- there was a link to it on the musicplayer.com forums.


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#1956882 - 09/10/12 10:59 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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From the musicplayer.com forum, here's the link to the PX350 manual:
http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_PX350-E-1A.pdf

And by adjusting the URL a little, here's the link to the PX150 manual:
http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_PX150-E-1A.pdf

From the PX150 manual, it is possible for it to playback midi files but you need to copy the file, via a usb-computer connection, to the 10 available song memory slots. The secondary USB port on the PX350 makes midi file playback much easier since you can use a flash drive. But I'll probably go with the PX150 since the the extra buttons and functions on the PX350 would be too distracting for the kids, but I may need to check out the panel lock option.

More:
PX750: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_PX750-E-1A.pdf
PX850: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_PX850-E-1A.pdf
AP250: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_AP250-E-1A.pdf
AP450: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_AP450-E-1A.pdf
AP650: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_AP650-E-1A.pdf

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#1957977 - 09/12/12 05:41 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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It looks like the PX750 is exactly the same as the PX150 except for the included stand + pedals + sliding cover. Would there even be a market for the AP250, which adds similar extras over the PX150 + a bench?

I wonder which would be cheapest:
PX150 + stand + pedals + bench
PX750 + bench
AP250

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#1957984 - 09/12/12 06:17 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Looking forward to PX350 vs AP650 comparisons. I guess I can read the manuals myself though. (PX850 got the short end of the stick wrt to # of sounds.)

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#1958060 - 09/12/12 09:26 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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(PX850 got the short end of the stick wrt to # of sounds.)
The PX-850 does have fewer sounds than the PX-350, but the PX-850 has the best acoustic piano reproduction of the bunch because it includes nuances like sympathetic resonance, release velocity and lid simulation. That is combined with the most powerful speaker system of the line.


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#1958246 - 09/13/12 11:25 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Mike,

i don't understand why Casio isn't driven to have at least one keyboard where you've put the best possible acoustic sound reproduction into the lightest and most portable keyboard.

You'd make a lot of folks on this blog happy if you'd consider that. Your general pricing is aggressive enough that you'd have some room to compensate for the increased on-board memory required to accomplish that. i think the peeps would pay an extra hundred or even two hundred to get that sound in a very portable instrument.

just a thought.


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#1958249 - 09/13/12 11:35 AM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: bfb]  
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Mike,

i don't understand why Casio isn't driven to have at least one keyboard where you've put the best possible acoustic sound reproduction into the lightest and most portable keyboard.

You'd make a lot of folks on this blog happy if you'd consider that. Your general pricing is aggressive enough that you'd have some room to compensate for the increased on-board memory required to accomplish that. i think the peeps would pay an extra hundred or even two hundred to get that sound in a very portable instrument.

just a thought.


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#1958295 - 09/13/12 01:11 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: KLSinCT]  
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An easy-to read feature comparison table with all new Privias and Celvianos would come in handy.

I also find it strange that there seems to be no clear "ne plus ultra" portable model.

#1958305 - 09/13/12 01:35 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: galaxy4t]  
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Originally Posted by galaxy4t
I would like to know more specifics on what has been done to improve the action also. In an earlier post Mike said the action had been improved over the previous models, but could not say what specifically had been done. He also said side to side motion had been reduced. This was a common complaint on the Privia PX-x30 models with keys rubbing against adjacent keys and wobbling. From the sounds of his post the key texture that has been added to all models was also improved. I am looking forward to playing these new models when they come out to see how much better they are. Mike, any chance of getting info from Tokyo on what they did to improve the action?


I do not have specifics on what has been changed mechanically. As I said before the side to side motion has definitely been reduced. The key texture (simulated ebony and ivory) is quite remarkable (IMO). There is a technical detail I can share. Internally the action now has 14bit resolution to the sound engine. MIDI as you may know is 7bit (0-127). So the action has 16,256 steps of resolution when driving our new piano sounds.

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#1958308 - 09/13/12 01:35 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
the PX-850 has the best acoustic piano reproduction of the bunch because it includes nuances like sympathetic resonance, release velocity and lid simulation. That is combined with the most powerful speaker system of the line.


Wait, the PX-850 outshines the AP-650 wrt AP reproduction?

#1958312 - 09/13/12 01:39 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: xorbe]  
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Originally Posted by xorbe
Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
the PX-850 has the best acoustic piano reproduction of the bunch because it includes nuances like sympathetic resonance, release velocity and lid simulation. That is combined with the most powerful speaker system of the line.


Wait, the PX-850 outshines the AP-650 wrt AP reproduction?


I was referring specifically to the PRIVIA models. We won't see the new AP series here in the US until January 2013.


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#1958384 - 09/13/12 03:17 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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So the 750 is the cabinet version of which keyboard in the new lineup? Im a college kid and having a cabinet setup would be too much of a hassle. Im looking for the best keyboard in the lineup for my money...so really, what Im asking is what is the PX-350 equivalent to? Is it just a KB version of the 750 or what?

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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
There is a technical detail I can share. Internally the action now has 14bit resolution to the sound engine. MIDI as you may know is 7bit (0-127). So the action has 16,256 steps of resolution when driving our new piano sounds.

It's pretty trivial to get 14 bits from an action, you just speed up the counters and make them wider. I believe the real questions are: where in this process is the velocity curve applied, how much resolution is left (excluding any missing codes) after it is applied, and can the sound engine make any use of data wider than 7 bits?

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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
There is a technical detail I can share. Internally the action now has 14bit resolution to the sound engine. MIDI as you may know is 7bit (0-127). So the action has 16,256 steps of resolution when driving our new piano sounds.

It's pretty trivial to get 14 bits from an action, you just speed up the counters and make them wider. I believe the real questions are: where in this process is the velocity curve applied, how much resolution is left (excluding any missing codes) after it is applied, and can the sound engine make any use of data wider than 7 bits?


It's not trivial at all to have this type of resolution tied to the sound engine. So yes the sound engine takes advantage of this and it allows for a more accurate and expressive experience. This is something that you won't find on Privia's most direct competitors.


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#1958427 - 09/13/12 04:05 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: BrokenChord]  
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Originally Posted by BrokenChord
So the 750 is the cabinet version of which keyboard in the new lineup?


The PX-150.


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#1958440 - 09/13/12 04:42 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Mike_Martin]  
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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
So yes the sound engine takes advantage of this and it allows for a more accurate and expressive experience.

Are there any studies that show 127 velocities - post velocity filtering - are insufficient? More resolution is generally better, but only up to the limits of human perception, after which the engineering effort expended isn't adding any real value.

So you're saying these 14 bits of resolution are after the velocity filtering?

#1958445 - 09/13/12 04:50 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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i'm going to be a dork and suggest that casio consider....

making the privia line- lightweight and portable- and have gradations up in quality to where the top privia has all the sound capabilities that COULD BE available- and still a light(er) weight portable

make the Celviano line your exclusive console line- with quality grades similar to the privia.

i dont see why you need console privia's and console celvianos- i know they are different price points and are trying to address different markets, like toyota and lexus, but this gets somewhat redundant and confusing. and you are underserving your portable DP customer. seems to me you could make a better margin loading up a portable board and saving some trees.

and that's all i'm going to say about it.


PS: and yes, i understand your retail distribution channels are different and probably want exclusivity, and two brands gives you wider distribution....

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#1958448 - 09/13/12 05:01 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: dewster]  
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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
So yes the sound engine takes advantage of this and it allows for a more accurate and expressive experience.

Are there any studies that show 127 velocities - post velocity filtering - are insufficient? More resolution is generally better, but only up to the limits of human perception, after which the engineering effort expended isn't adding any real value.

So you're saying these 14 bits of resolution are after the velocity filtering?
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What is velocity filtering?

Anyway, maybe I'm over-simplifying, but it sounds like the keyboard sends 16k velocity levels to the board's internal piano sound engine rather than the more typical 127. Is there more to it than that? And do you think that's not valuable? I'm afraid I'm missing something...

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BRB,
We appreciate the feedback, while Privia and Celviano have similarities the sometimes the difference comes down to cabinet and the style. There are some customers that want small light and portable and other customers want something that is more traditional in style with a larger speaker system. We're giving customers a choice which I think is a good thing. smile


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#1958457 - 09/13/12 05:17 PM Re: CASIO releases 4 new models [Re: Kbeaumont]  
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Dewster,
The limitations of the 7bit 0-127 value system has been argued a lot over the last 20 years as electronic instruments have become more capable and expressive. From pianists to drummers (using electronic drums) countless people have argued that 127 values is nowhere near enough.

Casio is not the first to implement a 14-bit system on the keyboard. You will find this on products such as Yamaha Clavinova. I'm not aware of other manufacturers providing this level of detail on products under $1000. Needless to say, the keyboard's connection to the AiR sound source that I believe takes our product to another level.


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