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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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http://www.headphone.com/ is a great site for reviews of all the possibilities

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Kenwood KH-K1000, available through audiocubes, $400. (Don't mind their typo that says Denon.) Best bang for the buck in closed headphones.

Headstage Arrow 12HE 4G, $300 direct. I stick mine under the left side and plug it directly into the line out jacks on the back. (They had some delivery issues before the new design was ready, but I got mine in 3 days.) Smallest, most portable amp with a crossfeed, that I am aware of.

Works for me, YMMV.

When not sitting at the piano, I marry the Arrow to my ipod, put the pair in an arm band, and go run for an hour, using portable earphones, of course.


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This has most certainly been an eye-opening thread into the amount of money that can be spent on headphones and accessories. I didn't realize headphone amps could get so pricey. Heck, there are even boutique-style replacement headphone cords that can cost as much as a decent set of cans. And of course, to display one's headphones in style one need only order the Sieveking Sound Omega Headphone Stand , which admittedly, is like a work of art in an of itself.

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Originally Posted by Jerseydevil
This has most certainly been an eye-opening thread into the amount of money that can be spent on headphones and accessories. I didn't realize headphone amps could get so pricey. Heck, there are even boutique-style replacement headphone cords that can cost as much as a decent set of cans. And of course, to display one's headphones in style one need only order the Sieveking Sound Omega Headphone Stand , which admittedly, is like a work of art in an of itself.


These things remind me of an 18th-century wig stand.... laugh


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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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Originally Posted by Jerseydevil
This has most certainly been an eye-opening thread into the amount of money that can be spent on headphones and accessories. I didn't realize headphone amps could get so pricey. Heck, there are even boutique-style replacement headphone cords that can cost as much as a decent set of cans. And of course, to display one's headphones in style one need only order the Sieveking Sound Omega Headphone Stand , which admittedly, is like a work of art in an of itself.

Cheap is cheap. My ipod-dock to right-angle 1/8" stereo jack cost me a $100, and it was the economy model! But it sure is beautiful! Sounds good, too!

https://www.ttvjaudio.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=322&image=

Compared to this, it's a steal!

https://www.ttvjaudio.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=325


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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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Wow, that's a good one. I've seen $30,000 speaker cables and $400 volume control knobs (knob only, no control).

But I've never seen a $259 phone-plug cable for an Ipod!

So who's to blame? The scammers who sell this, or the fools who purchase it?

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Yes but they have 99.9999% pure OFC, and the strands are individually insulated in a hyperlitz configuration, and with a very thin Teflon coating. You know you want one really but don't tell Dave Horne wink

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Before I even saw my name mentioned I said out loud, oh no, when I read the 99.9999% pure OFC ... etc. crazy


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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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I wonder ... just how much oxygen is there in NON-oxygen-free copper?
And ... does oxygen-free copper simply mean that the surface is NOT tarnished?
And finally ... why would it matter?

My guesses:
1. None.
2. Yes.
3. It doesn't.

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... and does the wiring in the amp\pre amp ... and the voice coil of the headphones have the 'correct' type of copper? Why limit this nonsense to just one part of the chain?





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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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Come on, Dave. It's obvious.

The cable must be oxygen-free because the signal is traveling vertically up the cable to the phones. Since that signal must fight the pull of gravity, it is badly affected by oxygen content.

In contrast, the copper windings in the phones emit sound horizontally into your ear. Horizontal sound it not affected by gravity, so oxygen content is not a problem.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Come on, Dave. It's obvious.

The cable must be oxygen-free because the signal is traveling vertically up the cable to the phones. Since that signal must fight the pull of gravity, it is badly affected by oxygen content.

In contrast, the copper windings in the phones emit sound horizontally into your ear. Horizontal sound it not affected by gravity, so oxygen content is not a problem.


Yep, that makes perfect sense.


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Good review.


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Re: Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
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About headphone amps, my little Yamaha P155 has no problem driving both my Sennheiser HD600 and Sennheiser HD800 at a very comfortable volume.
I have nothing against headphone amps btw, I own a very nice $2500 combo DAC + headphone amp that I use to listen to my ripped cds. But I wouldn't qualify the difference between that and my $200 Asus Sonar stx to be earth shattering. In fact, without trying very hard an knowing exactly what you are looking for (in that case a very slight improvement in the bass), chances are, blindfolded, you could not guess what is actually playing.
Investing in a good software instrument made much more sense (there is a world between the on board piano sounds and Ivory II and it costs only a fraction of the price of a good headphone amp).

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as to the question open or close ? CLose because u want to be able to avoid hearing the keyboard sound - the clunk if u have the sound turned way down ( to save your hearing). An open design would allow the environment noise to come in - so if the headphone volume is low you just might be able to hear the keys being pressed.

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"Reference phone" is often just a marketing term. Be sure to thoroughly test the phones before you buy them.

For example, I have an AKG K240 Monitor – a "reference phone" from the 80s and 90s – and a K271 Studio – another so-called reference phone from the mid-2000s.
The K240M is a lot of fun to listen to, it's fairly balanced, pleasant and detailed. Also, being semi-open it has a somewhat "airy" feel to it. If it weren't somewhat hard to drive at 600Ω, it would be my favorite phone for piano practice. As they run fine with my CD player, I use them for general listening instead.
The K271S is not so much fun, it's detailled but somewhat tinny, anaemic and seriously lacking bass. Basically, it makes a digital piano sound worse than it really is. Its best application are studio recordings, where you appreciate its little-fatiguing sound and its good isolation that keeps the required volume low.
The old K280 Parabolic that I found cheap is a good compromise. It's easy to drive, semi-open and sounds fairly similar to the K240. If I'm not mistaken, it was marketed as a hifi model though.

Closed vs. (semi)open is also something to test. It is true that a noisy action will be heard through most open phones, which can be a nuisance. However, I personally have come to like the way open phones keep some contact with the environment – it's more similar to the situation on an acoustic instrument. With a quiet action, I don't think it is a problem.
As far as listening volume goes, my experience is that it needs some adjustment and acclimatization. Due to the lack of impact sound, I had the tendency to listen way too loud, but consciously turning down the volume helps.

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I, too, prefer open phones. The old saw about sound leaking out and disturbing others is plain silly. A person sitting next to you will hear only a faint tinkling sound. He'd have to strain to make out the music, unless you have the volume turned up painfully high.

As for sound leaking in ... I don't find that to be a problem in the home. It's generally not a problem when playing an acoustic piano, is it?

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I also prefer open headphones. They do a better job making me feel like the music is really here in the room rather than coming out of a box or something. And they just sound better.

Acoustic piano is so much louder than the volume I typically use that I could never notice outside noise. When playing digital I am annoyed by room noise because I like to listen real quietly (paranoid about losing my hearing). To answer that I silenced my computer (no moving parts), put up a little room treatment, and barricade myself in there while playing. I think open is worth it if you only have a moderate amound of noise in the room. Actually it's also nice when you might have a spouse come talk to you while you are playing because you will be able to hear both and pretend you are paying attention to her.

For my computer out where my kids are making noise, I do like closed headphones. Actually I might even get noise cancelling cans for that purpose.

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I'm a convert to open phones, plus I can have a conversation while I'm playing. Sound leaking out is not an issue with a DP because the keyboard will make far more noise anyway.

I'm using the Sennheiser HD598s. They are excellent and supremely comfortable. They do not require a separate amp and can be driven by an ipod or laptop.

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