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#190718 - 07/04/01 01:00 AM Used Petrof Upright  
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I'm in the market for a piano and found a 2 year old Petrof 52" upright model 131 in the newspaper. I and a friend of mine (who is an acoustician) went to see and play the piano. It's in excellent condition, plays with a touch that's a bit on the light side and sounds very nice with a great low end. I haven't had a piano technician check out at the piano yet because I wanted to try to determine what would be a fair price to pay before investing in the inspection.

What do you think of Petrof uprights? I talked to the importer and was told that the warranty was valid for the original owner only. Should this be a big issue? The price is $5500. I think it was purchased new for around $8000. Is $5500 a fair price? Thanks for the advice.

Prosper

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#190719 - 07/04/01 04:47 AM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Prosper: In major metropolitan areas, $5500 is a very reasonable price for the 52" Petrof upright, assuming that it is in good condition and truly is two years old. The age of the piano matters because I don't think that Petrof always used a full Renner-assembled action in the 52" upright -- you should check the serial number to determine the exact age of the piano and its date of manufacture.

Jim L.

#190720 - 07/04/01 09:33 AM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Jim,

Thanks for your reply. Your info helps out a lot. Do you know when Petrof started using Renner action in it's pianos? The spec sheet the current owner gave me on the piano says that it has the full Renner action. I do have the serial number so I can find out how the piano really is. I guess I should also go to a Petrof dealer to try to get some information. Any other suggestions?

Prosper

#190721 - 07/04/01 12:38 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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As of the time of the 1994 Piano Book, Petrof did not manufacture a 52" upright, but it did as of the time of the 1999-2000 supplement (and probably a bit earlier, if my recollection serves correctly). Your best source of information (hopefully) would be your Petrof dealer or the Petrof Distributor -- Geneva International Corporation in Wheeling, Illinois, tel. 800-533-2388 or 847-520-9970.

Hope this helps.

Jim L.

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#190722 - 07/15/01 11:24 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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I had an acoustician friend of mine play and listen to the Petrof 131. He had not heard of the brand before but was impressed with the sound, especially the low end. I had a piano technician inspect the piano and he said it was in brand new condition. He mentioned that he sees new pianos on show room floors that have more wear.

After brief negotiations with the current owner I have secured a price of $4800 (she was originally asking $5500.) So, it seems like I'm getting an almost $10,000 new retail piano for less than half the price. Thanks for your help!

Prosper

#190723 - 07/16/01 10:32 AM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Prosper,
Congratulations! This sounds like a very good deal indeed. When do you take delivery?
penny

#190724 - 07/16/01 08:12 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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We're having the piano moved into our home this Friday morning. Can't wait to start playing again.

#190725 - 07/16/01 10:45 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Having worked for Geneva International doing warrenty repairs on pianos, I can highly recommend a Petrof, but have a tech check the tightness of the tuning pins. Some have loose pins. (true with many European pianos) The Petrof vertical action is a pretty good one, but the Renner is better. Open up the piano case and look for the Renner name. Renner puts their name on the hammer rail and on the hammers. The price is a good one.

#190726 - 07/17/01 01:01 AM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Bob,
I'm pretty sure the Petrof I have purchased (the 52" upright, model 131) has full Renner action. The tech that inspected at the piano before I decided to buy it turned a few of the tuning pins and said they were fine. Why is it that Petrofs and other European pianos have loose tuning pins?
Prosper

#190727 - 07/17/01 05:40 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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There is no such thing as "European" pianos
any more than Mercedes, Lada, Yugos, BMW,
or Ferrari are simply "European" cars....
The case of "loose" or "inconsistent" pins
relates strongly to one or perhaps two makes
over there, not - to the best of my knowledge
to "European" in general. Related to PRESENT
pianos,please, not the poor examples of old,
to be restored examples in someone's workshop

[ July 17, 2001: Message edited by: Norbert ]


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#190728 - 07/17/01 07:06 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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Norbert,
May I ask to which specific manufacturers are you referring to as far as the loose tuning pin problem? Do you think that this is this an issue with the pins themselves or the pin block?
Prosper

#190729 - 07/17/01 07:29 PM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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As a dealer I have to be careful about other
dealer's brands and the frequently observed
generalizations about all existing brands.
I can truthfully tell you that none of the German brands I know have pin torque problems

Estonia grands,especially with 6'3's have had some inconsistencies in the early 90's
when Delignit pinblocks were drilled either
too fast or the drillbit wasn't changed often
enough. Instead of denying this problem, the
company has fully addressed the issue and now
offers consistently tight pins in all of their models! Remember, if in doubt, have a tech check on the particular make/model
you like to purchase. Good luck!

Disclosure: We are Estonia dealers!
Norbert Marten
www.heritagepianos.com

[ July 17, 2001: Message edited by: Norbert ]


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#190730 - 07/19/01 05:27 AM Re: Used Petrof Upright  
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