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OSK: Regarding whether any expressive indications give a hint as to why it's in C#:
I couldn't find the score. I don't have it, and it seems not to be readily available online.
But maybe you can tell us: Are there any expressive indications that suggest it shouldn't be played that "elegantly and peacefully"? (It seems the opening/main tempo indication is "Andante con moto," which doesn't indicate anything in that direction.)
If there are, I'd say that's why it's in C#.
If there aren't, I would agree with your wonderment.
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What OSK said has nothing to do with what you said.... Damon: You are misunderstanding something here. What OSK said was exactly about what I had said. Mark: You're wrong.
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Good grief.....he thinks he knows better than I do what my post said. 
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Scroll down to No. 2. http://javanese.imslp.info/files/im...kan_-_Op.13_-_3_Andantes_Romantiques.pdfIt's called Trois Andantes Romantiques and the tempo is Andante con moto. I think in this case it's not what you said about key signatures. Check wr's response again; that seems more plausible, especially since Alkan was so crazy about being strict to theory rules and such. That's why he employs triple sharps in the Grande Sonate 2nd movement and Concerto for Solo Piano 3rd movement. And guys... Let's not argue. We're grown men, right?
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Scroll down to No. 2.....the tempo is Andante con moto. Looks like you might not have seen my next posts -- I said that too! I think in this case it's not what you said about key signatures. Right -- I said that unless there are some additional expressive indications supporting my first thought, that wouldn't be it. Check wr's response again; that seems more plausible.... Yes
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Without knowing the piece, what I can tell you is that C# major and Db major are felt by many (if not most) to have different 'flavors.' I certainly feel that they do.
And without even referring to the piece, I'll tell you my associations to the keys, and you tell me if it matches the piece:
C# major is friskier, more pungent.
Db major is more elegant, more peaceful.
I have thought this for a while, but I wasn't sure how to say it without sounding crazy. xD We musicians are surely the strangest of creatures, are we not? They're the same notes! haha! I think about when I've composed in D flat major; I was definitely thinking in D flat, and not C sharp. I envision D flat as like "contemplation," but C sharp is more like a dance. I wonder if you were to re-write a D flat piece in C sharp (or Sibelius can :D) if it will change the character of the piece?
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On a piano it doesn't matter whether the piece is written in C# major or D flat major in terms of how the piece sounds.
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And 99% of listeners won't have any idea what key you're playing in, anyway, unless you tell them in the program notes. If it has a specific color to you, that may influence the way you impress it on an audience, but I don't think there's anything intrinsically different about C# major or Db major. Whatever key the music is in, our only job is to play it beautifully.
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^^ Nobody has suggested otherwise ^^ What I was talking about was the composer's choice as to which key to notate it in -- which often depends on the feeling of the piece, and can color how we might interpret it. And to that extent, it can have something to do with the sound. But not the pitches. 
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^^ Nobody has suggested otherwise ^^ What I was talking about was the composer's choice as to which key to notate it in -- which often depends on the feeling of the piece, and can color how we might interpret it. And to that extent, it can have something to do with the sound. But not the pitches. And your assumption earlier in the post about how the particular piece in this thread sounds based on the choice of key signature was wrong. A case of severely over thinking what's important IMO. Even if the choice of C# major over D flat means anything interpretively, it is so far down the list compared to all the other markings in the score as to be almost irrelevant.
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And your assumption earlier in the post about how the particular piece in this thread sounds based on the choice of key signature was wrong. I guess you don't distinguish between guesses and assumptions. Here's what I said, my dear underthinking friend:  I'll tell you my associations to the keys, and you tell me if it matches the piece. A case of severely over thinking what's important IMO. Even if the choice of C# major over D flat means anything interpretively, it is so far down the list compared to all the other markings in the score as to be almost irrelevant. Needless to say, it says here that you're wrong. But it's nice to know that I have fans who so avidly scrutinize my posts, even if it's to find out what might be wrong about them, and even if they're almost always wrong about it. If you seriously think (as opposed to just being in the habit of countering what I say) that in the minds of the great composers, there wasn't often a difference in feeling about enharmonic keys like C# major and Db major, you're mistaken. BTW you should be pleased that I've just helped you learn something, assuming that you have.
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Okay guys, that's enough. I guess the question has already been answered.
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Well you don't have to tell me....I thought it was done a couple of days ago.
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And your assumption earlier in the post about how the particular piece in this thread sounds based on the choice of key signature was wrong. I guess you don't distinguish between guesses and assumptions. Here's what I said, my dear underthinking friend: I'll tell you my associations to the keys, and you tell me if it matches the piece. A case of severely over thinking what's important IMO. Even if the choice of C# major over D flat means anything interpretively, it is so far down the list compared to all the other markings in the score as to be almost irrelevant. Needless to say, it says here that you're wrong. But it's nice to know that I have fans who so avidly scrutinize my posts, even if it's to find out what might be wrong about them, and even if they're almost always wrong about it. If you seriously think (as opposed to just being in the habit of countering what I say) that in the minds of the great composers, there wasn't often a difference in feeling about enharmonic keys like C# major and Db major, you're mistaken. BTW you should be pleased that I've just helped you learn something, assuming that you have. Complete nonsense. Missing the point entirely. Particularly arrogant. You claimed associations for particular key signatures which proved to be wrong for the piece mentioned. As far as I can see almost no one on the thread agreed with you.
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