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Re: Toccatas [Re: argerichfan] #1903262
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Try Bach's F major toccata for organ, that is probably my favourite. Here it is with score. Love that tonic pedal point, then the organ pedals taking off. What an exciting piece!....

+1!!

I would have said that one if I weren't thinking just of piano pieces. (Although I'm not on real solid ground having said Bach-Busoni!) grin

I tried working out a piano arrangement of that Toccata, didn't do real well but played it a lot anyway. I wish someone who can really do these things would do this piece....

IMO the "best parts" are the "um--PUM--PUM's" like at 3:12.
And this movement has a couple of my favorite chords of all time anywhere:
The deceptive cadence at 8:38, and the third-to-last chord (8:56).

I would have liked him to sit on that third-to-last chord a bit more, to really mark it. The way he plays it, it's hard to tell exactly what's so outrageous about it: It's an F major chord with a B-flat passing tone in the bass instead of a C. That chord works great on the piano too. Try it! -- just play an F major chord in the RH, and a low Bb octave in the LH. I could play that last cadence endlessly forever.

It's actually the same final cadence as in the C# minor Prelude posted by Argerichfan, without the morph ha ....but with the bass of that octave morphed into a 'wrong note.'

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Re: Toccatas [Re: Kreisler] #1903279
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Originally Posted by Kreisler
I like .... the Kapustin Toccatina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4G8paWGqQ


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Re: Toccatas [Re: wower] #1903280
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Originally Posted by wower
Originally Posted by Kreisler
I like .... the Kapustin Toccatina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4G8paWGqQ


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I clicked it. That is a good one!

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Another I played as a teen but it doesn't have toccata in the title, still seems toccata-like to me is Benjamin Godard's "Le Cavalier Fantastique".

I didn't see a pro recording but see if you agree.


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I rather like Sorabji's Toccata No.1, but at 75 minutes and crushingly hard to play, it's probably not the wisest choice for a recital!


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Babajanian (you'd have to be in the right mood to like this one, but it's on the edge of falling off a cliff)

And there was one by Frescobaldi that I really liked when I was in college. Can't find it now...


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Re: Toccatas [Re: Damon] #1903346
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Is the last movement of Prokofiev's Sonata No.7 considered a Toccata?

What is the difference, if any, between a Toccata and a Perpetuum Moblile like the famous one in C that closes one of Weber's Sonatas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XNEKiTwwU

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I like Howard Skempton's Toccata...tried to find a free audio link, none available.

You'd enjoy it -- it's more of an anti-toccata.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Is the last movement of Prokofiev's Sonata No.7 considered a Toccata?

What is the difference, if any, between a Toccata and a Perpetuum Moblile like the famous one in C that closes one of Weber's Sonatas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XNEKiTwwU


Good question. The Prokofiev does resemble the "form?". Is there a form? The Godard piece I mentioned above seems toccata-like to me as does Bartoks Allegro Barbaro. The key feature seems to be a constant relentless motion.

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Originally Posted by RealPlayer
I like Howard Skempton's Toccata...tried to find a free audio link, none available.

You'd enjoy it -- it's more of an anti-toccata.



[color:#33CCFF][b]Are you talking about this?[/b][/color]
I'd say you are right that it is anti-toccata. It's slow enough that the Amazon sample only plays 4 or 5 notes! laugh

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I liked the Prokofiev the moment I heard it! I lack the chops, however.

My son played (well, still plays) the Debussy toccata from the Suite Pour le Piano. I think it's a nice book end to the Prelude from the SPLP, so it may be one of the Toccatas that works better in context than alone.

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you cant have a thread about toccatas and not mention the york bowen one

i know the sound isnt great,

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Re: Toccatas [Re: Damon] #1903460
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Originally Posted by Damon
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I haven't heard any of those before and I love them all, especially the Prokofiev.

Here's Mark Salman playing the Liszt toccata.


Me too. I also just posted that video in the Franz Liszt thread. Your instructor is awesome.
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Re: Toccatas [Re: Orange Soda King] #1903503
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King

However, THIS is break neck speed. And it's actually really beautiful and musical and consistent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hrOrFUO-QQ


Terrifying!

Re: Toccatas [Re: Damon] #1903525
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For the scores to at least 100 different toccatas you can go here:
http://www.pianophilia.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73

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Originally Posted by Damon
I figure this one will be most folks favorite since it gets mentioned often around here. The only one I ever learned was the Katchaturian one, about 40 years ago. I should have kept it up, then I would have a 20th century piece to play.


This is very fun to play even though I'll never be able to play it at the lightning speed tempo.



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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
What is the difference, if any, between a Toccata and a Perpetuum Moblile like the famous one in C that closes one of Weber's Sonatas?

I'd say that toccatas are more percussive and/or more chord-ish than this Weber.

(BTW Bach toccatas are an exception.)

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Though it is not well known, Dimitar Nenov wrote a rather fabulous toccata:



On this same recital were his two Etudes 1931-32 - astounding pieces. Actually, if you like phenomenal piano playing (hmm, why are we here again? grin ), checking out the rest of this recital wouldn't be a bad idea. Fascinating and mysterious 17th century music coupled with brilliant early 21st century Eastern European works.

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I think Busoni's Toccata is one of his best pieces. It is based on the Baroque multi-section toccata, not the later idea of single-mindedly pounding the keyboard into the ground.



Czerny's is what inspired Schumann's, I believe. IIRC, it was part of Clara's daily technical regime when Schumann first fell for her, so I can see how he got the idea.



Toccatinas are cool, too. Alkan wrote two of them; here's the op. 75 one -



Vincent Persichetti did three toccatinas that are interesting music and are not too difficult -



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I like Busoni's a lot!! Thanks for bringing it up. smile

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