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#1901525 - 05/22/12 09:43 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Perhaps the seller saw this thread and decided that his/her DP was worth more? wink


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#1901527 - 05/22/12 09:52 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: Lefty Chev]  
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Originally Posted by Lefty Chev
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Agreed. If you come back with a $900 offer, what's to say that the seller will not ask for $1000. Usually it's the buy who barters with the seller, not the other way around.

Set yourself a maximum price that you wish to pay and stick to it.

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What I don't understand is that the OP said they offered 750 and the seller accepted. If that's the case then the OP should have the piano at home right now. It sounds like this predicament is self inflicted.


Well, I hypothetically offered $750, and the seller said he would take that. However, more people were already going to take a look at the piano during the next days. I could've said "take $750 now or leave it", but in that case I would've risked losing the piano. One of the other persons then offered 800, so then I offered 850, and then they 880. $750 was below my maximum price, so that's why I didn't give an ultimatum. My maximum price is approaching now...

#1901528 - 05/22/12 09:53 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Perhaps the seller saw this thread and decided that his/her DP was worth more? wink


If the seller is seeing this thread, I'd like to announce that I won't go much higher than my current offer smile

#1901535 - 05/22/12 10:04 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Bad speak! " ... in that case I would've risked losing the piano."
I strongly resist that notion.
There is no risk.
And there is nothing to lose (and nothing to win).
It's just business.

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#1901538 - 05/22/12 10:12 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Originally Posted by ggould


Well, I hypothetically offered $750, and the seller said he would take that. However, more people were already going to take a look at the piano during the next days. I could've said "take $750 now or leave it", but in that case I would've risked losing the piano. One of the other persons then offered 800, so then I offered 850, and then they 880. $750 was below my maximum price, so that's why I didn't give an ultimatum. My maximum price is approaching now...


I'd be done with the bidding. For all you know, there is no other person.

#1901545 - 05/22/12 10:23 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Originally Posted by ggould
Update:

Someone else offered a better price for the CLP-990. Now I have to offer $900. Do you guys still think $900 for the CLP-990 is a good deal, or would you suggest that I let this go? I've seen at some CLP-330s at ~$1000, but unfortunately not close to where I am (I've seen at least one in NY, but far from where I am). I could wait some more time, but the digital piano market on craigslist seems to move pretty slowly!


$900 is still a great price for the CLP990.


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#1901565 - 05/22/12 11:05 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: Lefty Chev]  
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I was thinking that, too ...
Originally Posted by Lefty Chev
I'd be done with the bidding. For all you know, there is no other person.
Maintain control. Always.

So, wait and see. Then, when the seller's anxiety rises, jump back in.

#1901624 - 05/23/12 02:27 AM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Bad speak! " ... in that case I would've risked losing the piano."
I strongly resist that notion.
There is no risk.
And there is nothing to lose (and nothing to win).
It's just business.


Semantics!

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I'd be done with the bidding. For all you know, there is no other person.


Right, this is a possibility, although I do believe the seller is honest (based on the seller's credentials). Also, if the seller is bluffing, the seller also runs the "risk" (or not? :p) of me saying "no", in which case the seller loses their only offer. The seller does have to sell the piano by the end of June, so bluffing also has a cost.


Many thanks to those who gave their opinion on $900 still being a good price. I think this is as high as I'll go.


#1901738 - 05/23/12 09:24 AM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Originally Posted by ggould
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Bad speak! " ... in that case I would've risked losing the piano."
I strongly resist that notion.
There is no risk.
And there is nothing to lose (and nothing to win).
It's just business.


Semantics!

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I'd be done with the bidding. For all you know, there is no other person.


Right, this is a possibility, although I do believe the seller is honest (based on the seller's credentials). Also, if the seller is bluffing, the seller also runs the "risk" (or not? :p) of me saying "no", in which case the seller loses their only offer. The seller does have to sell the piano by the end of June, so bluffing also has a cost.


Many thanks to those who gave their opinion on $900 still being a good price. I think this is as high as I'll go.



If you're going to offer him $900, you should make the offer that you come pick if up right then. Something like, "If I offer you $900 can I come pick it up tonight?" If not, you're just being set up to have the price raised again.


EDIT: I also don't think MacMacMac's point is semantical. If you're afraid of loosing, you put yourself in a weaker negotiating position. If you're there with money, ready to make the deal and no one else is, you're in a stronger negotiating position. The seller has no idea if anyone else is going to make an offer, or make an offer that's as good. They risk loosing a sure sale for what might be.

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#1901747 - 05/23/12 09:42 AM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Reading between the lines - and please forgive me if I'm way off beam here, ggould - it sounds like the OP may not have made a firm decision himself that this is the piano he really wants. I suspect, if he had, the deal would have been done by now.


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#1902040 - 05/23/12 07:47 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: voxpops]  
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"If I offer you $900 can I come pick it up tonight?"


Well, that would be great, if I could actually pick it up tonight. I have to look into moving it and that's not that simple!

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. If you're there with money, ready to make the deal and no one else is, you're in a stronger negotiating position. The seller has no idea if anyone else is going to make an offer, or make an offer that's as good. They risk loosing a sure sale for what might be.


True, but in the case that the offer is $200 below the asking price (like my $750), and the seller has more people looking at it, and still a good amount of time left, then it is likely that the seller will not accept a firm deal. I think this technique is the best idea when 1) you're 100% sure you want to buy the piano and 2) your offer is closer to the asking price).

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it sounds like the OP may not have made a firm decision himself that this is the piano he really wants


This is correct at the time that I made the $750 offer. Also, the owner was already expecting more people to take a look at that point, so I think he would've waited on those people anyway. In any case, I would not hand in the money at this point, no matter what, since I still need to make arrangements to pick it up, so there is never a "binding transaction".

Update:
The last person who saw the piano yesterday offered the asking price of $950, and the owner sealed the deal on the spot frown. This at least shows that the owner was not bluffing.

Now I have to start my search all over again! If you know anyone in Manhattan selling a good DP, let me know!

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#1902048 - 05/23/12 08:13 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Originally Posted by ggould
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"If I offer you $900 can I come pick it up tonight?"


Well, that would be great, if I could actually pick it up tonight. I have to look into moving it and that's not that simple!

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. If you're there with money, ready to make the deal and no one else is, you're in a stronger negotiating position. The seller has no idea if anyone else is going to make an offer, or make an offer that's as good. They risk loosing a sure sale for what might be.


True, but in the case that the offer is $200 below the asking price (like my $750), and the seller has more people looking at it, and still a good amount of time left, then it is likely that the seller will not accept a firm deal. I think this technique is the best idea when 1) you're 100% sure you want to buy the piano and 2) your offer is closer to the asking price).

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it sounds like the OP may not have made a firm decision himself that this is the piano he really wants


This is correct at the time that I made the $750 offer. Also, the owner was already expecting more people to take a look at that point, so I think he would've waited on those people anyway. In any case, I would not hand in the money at this point, no matter what, since I still need to make arrangements to pick it up, so there is never a "binding transaction".

Update:
The last person who saw the piano yesterday offered the asking price of $950, and the owner sealed the deal on the spot frown. This at least shows that the owner was not bluffing.

Now I have to start my search all over again! If you know anyone in Manhattan selling a good DP, let me know!


I would have paid $1,500 for it.


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#1902051 - 05/23/12 08:30 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: Kona_V-Piano]  
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Owner should've kept playing the betting game! I would've upped $950!

#1959363 - 09/15/12 07:26 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Going to try to resurrect this forum. There's a used CLP 330 that I'm looking at purchased in 2009 going for $1500 USD. Assuming it's in good condition, would you consider this a decent price? I saw a new one at a dealer going for 2200-2300. I was hoping to pay more around $1000. What do you all think?

#1959368 - 09/15/12 07:47 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Dealer asking price might have been $2200, but you'd likely have been able to buy for $1800-$2000. So $1500 for a three-year-old is too high, IMO. I think $1000 might be too low, unless the seller is under pressure to sell. There's one way to find out. Offer $1000. Make it tempting. Have your cash in hand. (But check out the piano first!)

#1959891 - 09/16/12 08:52 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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update. It was as good as advertised. Got it for 1000 (which is good because that's all my bank would let me withdraw from my ATM today!

#1959894 - 09/16/12 09:05 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Congratulations. That was a very good deal.

#1959901 - 09/16/12 09:34 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Great deal, well done!


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#2083242 - 05/15/13 05:44 PM Re: Fair Price of Clavinova CLP-330 [Re: ggould]  
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Hope i can ask this question in this topic. I found a used CLP 330, asking price €900. Is this a good deal? What should be my offer? I was hoping to spend around €600,- on a good second hand DP with realistic piano sound. On the pictures it looks in good condition.

What do you think?

Do i have to link to my other post?

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