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Steinway M vs. Yamaha C7
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You can, on average, get both for about the same money (the M being just a couple more G's)

Hypothetically let's say that the M is $24,000 and is the best M you have ever played, and the C7 is $22,000 and is the best C7 you have ever played.

Which one would you pick and why? In your professional opinions, what are the pluses and minuses of each piano compared to each other?

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Please tell me where you can get a new model of either of these pianos for these prices? If you're talking used there are too many variables that you haven't mentioned to discuss intelligently. If you're not talking abiout specific models available in stores near you, nor new models (obviously from the prices) then I'd rather not discuss hypothetical situations.


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My first question would be what its intended use would be. The two pianos (in their best representation) are very different designs. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

So is this for your home? How large of a space is it? What music do you enjoy playing? Will you be mostly playing on your own?


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Rich Galassini #1899244 05/18/12 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
My first question would be what its intended use would be. The two pianos (in their best representation) are very different designs. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

So is this for your home? How large of a space is it? What music do you enjoy playing? Will you be mostly playing on your own?


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In my probably ignorant opinion, The Steinway would be a good used piano and would probably appreciate in value eventually. Not to mention the Steinways' record of lasting several lifetimes with care. The Yamaha,while probably not the build quality, if superb, would be a much larger and more powerful instrument that would bring instant joy and power. I wouldn't buy either one without the inspection and advice of a fine technician.
But then, what do I know? I recently played a "M" that had the best touch and tone of that model I've ever played. I would have considered it, as the price was fair, but the finish and cabinetry was nothing that would match my furnishings. I suspect that some people would think I'm nuts!


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One last note, As some of you may know, I owned a Steinway L some years ago, and was so very proud of it. I bought Steinway coffee table books and thought I had arrived. However, I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I was a closet Yamaha man, even in those days. I, quite simply, enjoyed all my experiences on Yamahas more frequently that any other brand. I am a better organist than pianist, and hope to someday purchase a larger Allen organ or virtual pipe organ using a genuine theater organ console, so spending 20-45,000 on a piano was not an option


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The C7s value is in its size..however the Steinway will still be a Steinway in 30 yrs.. smile
what are the ages of these piano's?

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Originally Posted by Bob Newbie
The C7s value is in its size..however the Steinway will still be a Steinway in 30 yrs.. smile
what are the ages of these piano's?


Bob - I believe the OP's question is purely hypothetical...... smile


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Originally Posted by carey
Bob - I believe the OP's question is purely hypothetical...... smile


This question, if hypothetical, can't really be answered well, can it? Assuming the C7 is in good shape, then more or less a C7 is a C7 is a C7. Not so with the M. I play 2 this week and neither one was as good as my C2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I've also played Ms that could make you cry, they're so alive with that magic S&S sound.) I think it best to not talk hypothetically about Ms except to say any C7 can beat a weak M, but a really good M is likely to win many hearts. Just my opinion.

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as my teacher once said steinway "M" stands for mediocre, and i'd have to agree based on the ones i've played (Mason A blows an M out of the water IMHO). 'course, if it's a nameplate you're looking for...

for me the choice, all things being equal, is a no-brainer.

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To me the overriding choice is, what size room is it going to be in,?... L/W/H..
if you have to keep the lid closed while playing what good is being able to.. "blow it out the water!"

..or out of the house.. just my 2 cents smile
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The C7's bass is generally going to be more enhanced because of the size of the soundboard and the length of the strings, but not always. Some Ms are amazing.

The overall tone of the instrument and touch of the keys might be something to consider. Which one do you keep going back to as a mode of comparison?

There are lousy Yamaha C7s out there, just like lousy, poorly cared-for Steinways. There are good ones, too. The C7 takes up considerably more space - it's almost two feet longer than the M.

Have you had a tech look at each to see which might be in better condition, i.e., the hammers, general condition of the action, regulation, soundboard, pinblocks, etc?

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of course my subjective opinion re: an A blowing an M out of the water doesn't refer exclusively to volume (tho the bass of an A is thoroughly more satisfying than that of an M, and the bass of a C7 is in a whole different stratosphere) but the build quality, touch, and overall sound quality (again, all other things - age, condition etc - being equal). M's just strike me as entry level steinways -- relatively lightweight, little casters, ... compare the construction specs between an A and an M or better yet inspect both of them side by side.

(here's the faust harrision comparision: http://www.faustharrisonpianos.com/brands/compare_mason_steinway.shtml)

and a C7 is almost TWO feet longer than an M - 7'6" vs 5'7". really, apples to oranges.

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Let's assume we are talking about new pianos, and that our only choices are an M or a C7. For me, if I wanted to buy a piano for my home, that was for practice or chamber rehearsals, i would take the steinway. If I was playing a romantic concerto or a big recital in a large space, I might want the c7. You know what, they're both beautiful and so very
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What's better? A Ford F-150 or a Honda Fit? crazy

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What's better? A Ford F-150 or a Honda Fit? crazy


ha! Neither wink

I do like those early 1900s Mason Hamlins, and I think the OP needs to continue looking around.


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Hypothetically let's say that the M is $24,000 and is the best M you have ever played, and the C7 is $22,000 and is the best C7 you have ever played.
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Originally Posted by Entheo
as my teacher once said steinway "M" stands for mediocre,


Is this a commonly accepted view? I've heard that different Steinway models vary considerably in sound quality (just like different Steinways of the very same model all seem to sound differently), but I'm wondering if there's a relatively widespread sense that the 5'7" S&S Model M ain't all that. What say y'all?

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M's are pretty small


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It really depends on which C7 and M you will have. Their durability all vary greatly like nearly all acoustics. But if we consider them in "great condition" I would go for the Steinway. Steinway makes us work and if we work well it favours us. On the other hand Yamaha has easier control, good but less interesting sound for my taste. However some say that longer pianos have better quality.

I would compare the M with S6. They are more similar instruments I think.

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