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Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital] #1891035 05/04/12 11:31 AM
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ClavBoy, no one expects a beginner to do anything beyond your level. So there's a reasonable expectation tied to everyone's perception of a piece. I don't think you need to worry about mistakes. Gluing a performance isn't going to change what we hear much and it may give a false sense of comparison when you listen to later submissions in the future.

As everyone has said, it's really about progress over time. You may hear really good performances at a particular recital for any one of us but listen back a few recitals and you will notice the slow progress.

I have a particular philosphy of recording only once. If there are mistakes, I post it anyway. As one of those that has commented on every recording in all the recitals I've been involved in, I can say that note mistakes are the least important of what I hear. There are other more important things like tone, rhythm, evenness, balance, etc. that really tell a listener where you are.


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Ok, thanks for the comments, I'll see what I can do :-)


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Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Starr Keys] #1891246 05/04/12 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Starr Keys
I love your sense of humor, LizAnne! That and your name alone would make you a welcome addition to recital list for me--it's not that I'm sexist, it's just that women and girls are usually so much in the minority on these lists. smile



To state that "women and girls are usually so much in the minority on these [Recital] lists" is a simple statement of statistical fact, and thus not sexist.

But to wish or desire for more participants of a specific gender (either male or female) when gender is totally irrelevant as a criteria for Recital participation (and totally irrelevant to the quality of performance)...well, that's another matter, and some hardcore cynics just might consider this at least borderline sexism.

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I'm in. How do you tell what number you're in at?


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Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: raptor] #1891317 05/04/12 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by raptor
Oh no, just found out i'm flying off to a wedding for 3 days on the weekend before the 14th. Ahh!

Well, I hope if I practice all weekend long, i may be able to somehow make it in time to submit it on Wed, which is my last free day before I leave.

Would anyone mind a submission of an unpolished piece but still a decent attempt given timeframe?

Currently I've almost memorised the whole piece but can only play just over half of it hands together. shocked


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Originally Posted by AB Forum Recital
Recital #26 is now open for submissions!



While any and all styles of music are welcome, we do ask that it be piano related. Only one recording may be submitted per forum member (although that recording may consist of a medley of two or more very short related pieces).



So no harpsichord then?


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Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: TrapperJohn] #1891332 05/04/12 07:44 PM
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I love your sense of humor, LizAnne! That and your name alone would make you a welcome addition to recital list for me--it's not that I'm sexist, it's just that women and girls are usually so much in the minority on these lists. smile

to wish or desire for more participants of a specific gender (either male or female) when gender is totally irrelevant as a criteria for Recital participation (and totally irrelevant to the quality of performance)....some hardcore cynics just might consider this at least borderline sexism.


I can't be responsible for what others think, only for what I believe I know in my own heart and mind and from my own experience to be true. Woman and girls, at least in my generation, didn't receive as much support for pursuing difficult and challenging disciplines as men did, especially those perceived as involving math or science. Even today, the classical piano performance world seems to be dominated by men. Sexism played no small part in women and girls' low self-esteem and reluctance to challenge themselves when I was coming of age. It is as natural not to want to feel marginalized and not want others to suffer as you did as it is to be gratified by signs of progress and equality.

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Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: ClavBoy] #1891368 05/04/12 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ClavBoy
A recital question: I'm still a very beginner but would maybe submit a piece to hear your comments about it, but I still have big problems with consistency during the pieces: Although the pieces are very short, I often make one mistake and therefore ruin the whole piece, especially when recording...
Is it ok if a submitted piece is recorded in 2 parts and then "glued" together in audio software or should the piece be played like in a "live" situation from start to beginning in one part?



There are recital purists who argue that it should be played as close to "live" as possible (and there are even some crazy fools brave souls who take one, and only one, take for the recital. eek )

However, many of us do multiple takes and/or editing. The consensus seems to be that it's okay to do editing, as long as you indicate that you've done so in the comments portion of the recital template.

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I'm in. How do you tell what number you're in at?


Just click on the link to the recital. On the home page you'll see something that says "there are xxx submitted pieces" and then a little box that says "show me." Click on the "show me" and you'll see where you are in the queue.

Mahlzeit programmed it that way because some people wanted the recital to be a complete surprise and others wanted to know what pieces were being performed ahead of time.

Re: Recital #26 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Eglantine] #1891371 05/04/12 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Eglantine
Originally Posted by AB Forum Recital
Recital #26 is now open for submissions!



While any and all styles of music are welcome, we do ask that it be piano related. Only one recording may be submitted per forum member (although that recording may consist of a medley of two or more very short related pieces).



So no harpsichord then?


Hmmm... that's never come up before. I don't know if I want to be the one to decide this. However, I'm guessing the number of harpsichord entries would be very very small so it may not be a big deal one way or the other. So I'd be tempted to tell you to go for it, and we'll deal with the issue later if all of a sudden we get 100 harpsichordists submitting pieces. laugh

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Originally Posted by Monica K.
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Originally Posted by AB Forum Recital
Recital #26 is now open for submissions!



While any and all styles of music are welcome, we do ask that it be piano related. Only one recording may be submitted per forum member (although that recording may consist of a medley of two or more very short related pieces).



So no harpsichord then?


Hmmm... that's never come up before. I don't know if I want to be the one to decide this. However, I'm guessing the number of harpsichord entries would be very very small so it may not be a big deal one way or the other. So I'd be tempted to tell you to go for it, and we'll deal with the issue later if all of a sudden we get 100 harpsichordists submitting pieces. laugh


We have had submissions played on the organ before ...

You could get into strange problems if it was too strict. I wouldn't expect people to use a harpsichord setting on their digital but I can't think of a good argument why that would be any different than a digital piano sound!!



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I think the harpsichord, being a keyboard instrument, is related to the piano.


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Originally Posted by Monica K.
There are recital purists who argue that it should be played as close to "live" as possible (and there are even some crazy fools brave souls who take one, and only one, take for the recital. eek )


LOL - I'm definitely not one of the purists. Hehe. But One-Take is a self challenge.

Really though, it's an attempt to fight the Red Dot. The more repeats, the more the Red Dot takes over.

The close to "live" thing is my cover...it means mistakes are expected (I don't have to bother hiding them) smile


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The Harpsichord is a string instrument unlike the piano which is a percussion instrument. Percussion instruments are those where you have to hit something to make the sound. So drums are percussive, obviously, but less obviously the piano is also percussion, because the sound is made by striking the strings. Harpsichord is not percussive because the strings are plucked, not struck.

But...because they are so cool, harpsichords are still IN!

One comment on the editing/splicing. Doing so is definitely NOT encouraged as that is NOT the purpose of these recitals. It was never meant to be a cut and paste project but rather something as close to the real thing as possible. If you must do it, please don't make it a habit as it really is counter productive to what we are trying to accomplish here.

Displaying an accurate representation of your abilities is how we all can observe someones progress over time. A cut and paste job is just that. It certainly is NOT an accurate representation of your abilities and the concept itself is ridiculous on a 'beginner' forum.

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Would anyone mind a submission of an unpolished piece but still a decent attempt given timeframe?


Have you listened to my last entries? eek

Submit what you have and we can commiserate in the aftermath!


I have listened to them both and they are really nicely played. I'd like to learn both songs myself. Especially the Schumann one.

I will follow your advice and submit what I have when I get to recording it.

At the moment I'm currently spending the entire weekend analyzing the song, breaking it up into sections to practice, ironing out the mistakes, recording parts and listening to it to identify problem areas and to work on them.

I am seeing some improvement from my efforts, especially with making it more flowing and less stopping every so often from memory blanks. Hopefully it won't be too bad when it comes to time to record it.

Currently I can't play the song to the end yet, so thats my goal for this weekend.

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I agree - harpsichords should be IN IN IN !!!!
While the fact that piano is a percussion instrument and the harpsichord is a stringed instrument is quite true, I think the relationship between the instruments is strong enough that harpsichord is more than relevan here and I would be thrilled to hear some period music played on one.

I fully agree with what BenPiano and the others have written about this not being a contest - and that it is important for people of all levels to fee certain that their performances are welcome and appreciated.

I also agree that multiple takes on your performance is not always a great idea. You can stress out too much aiming for that "perfect performance" - but really, is there such a thing?

I may do a few takes, sometimes I've limited myself to one and just gone with that. I really do believe that these recitals have to honestly reflect where each of us is on own own piano journey.

I feel doing a cut and paste doesn't fit with the spirit of the recital -which is "let me show you what I can do NOW" - and really - it is so exciting to see how we progress. I have had some heartwarming comments on my own progress over the past 2 years and I share in the excitment of hearing people who are even newer than I am to the piano who work up the courage to participate.

I had my piece ready - and then played it for my teacher who suggested that (now that I've gotten over my phobia of using the pedal) I should add pedal to it. So.... I'll experiment a bit this week and try re-recording. I will be present, but not sure when! smile

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I'm glad to hear that harpsichords are in. grin

My Olympus audio recorder has just been delivered back to me, presumably fixed, but not checked yet. I also need to tune the harpsichord. And in particular my top C, which I hadn't bothered with before (as I didn't need it, plus the Korg tuner was having problems with it) but now do need. And not sure if I have time for that, as new client from yesterday until 18th, and away at a conference, will mean I'm super busy. But if not this time around, next time for sure.

Do we have the forward dates for future recital submission periods?


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Dates: doesn't it go every three months? So next recital submissions would be first two weeks of August, and then first two weeks of November.


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