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#1890908 - 05/04/12 07:13 AM Re: Yuja Wang dazzles in London [Re: bennevis]  
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Let's not forget that Daniel Barenboim recorded the complete Beethoven Sonatas (and Concertos) while barely out of his teens in the 1960s. And many people prefer these EMI recordings to his later, 'mature' DG cycle (Sonatas). Not to mention his later 'mature' Concerto recordings with the Berliner Philharmoniker...

I don't think musical maturity is a prerogative of the old, or those of 'mature years'. For instance, I prefer Artur Rubinstein's earlier Chopin to his later RCA recordings. And ditto for Horowitz - who became more idiosyncratic (and even perverse) with age.


Did I say that all artists always get better in every possible piece they play, as they mature? I don't think so. Neither did I say that all younger artists are always totally immature in every piece. Jeez....


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#1890945 - 05/04/12 08:51 AM Re: Yuja Wang dazzles in London [Re: wr]  
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Originally Posted by wr
Originally Posted by bennevis
Let's not forget that Daniel Barenboim recorded the complete Beethoven Sonatas (and Concertos) while barely out of his teens in the 1960s. And many people prefer these EMI recordings to his later, 'mature' DG cycle (Sonatas). Not to mention his later 'mature' Concerto recordings with the Berliner Philharmoniker...

I don't think musical maturity is a prerogative of the old, or those of 'mature years'. For instance, I prefer Artur Rubinstein's earlier Chopin to his later RCA recordings. And ditto for Horowitz - who became more idiosyncratic (and even perverse) with age.


Steady on old bean !!

Did I say that all artists always get better in every possible piece they play, as they mature? I don't think so. Neither did I say that all younger artists are always totally immature in every piece. Jeez....



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#1891004 - 05/04/12 10:34 AM Re: Yuja Wang dazzles in London [Re: bennevis]  
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Speaking of maturity, Richard Goode is one such. Though he was never in the super bangy club, his recitals from about 10 years ago did not leave me with a too memorable mark. But I saw him last week at Carnegie Hall, in a Schumann Chopin program that was incredibly beautiful. Like good wine, his music making has aged gorgeously with a very rich mesmerizing sound.

AS for Yuja Wang, I will definitely go see her again, but not before some years have passed. I bow to her skills but bail on her musicality. She leaves me dumbfounded but not smitten. I personally feel that she is still at a stage of showing what she can do rather than what she has to say about the music. As a mere audience member, I get to decide what musical experiences I am willing to submit to.

Bennevis, you sound truly bedazzled smile , but PLEASE not even she would compare herself to Richter!!!! And leave the cached messages out!

#1891014 - 05/04/12 10:55 AM Re: Yuja Wang dazzles in London [Re: bennevis]  
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Let's not forget that Daniel Barenboim recorded the complete Beethoven Sonatas (and Concertos) while barely out of his teens in the 1960s. And many people prefer these EMI recordings to his later, 'mature' DG cycle (Sonatas). Not to mention his later 'mature' Concerto recordings with the Berliner Philharmoniker...

I don't think musical maturity is a prerogative of the old, or those of 'mature years'. For instance, I prefer Artur Rubinstein's earlier Chopin to his later RCA recordings. And ditto for Horowitz - who became more idiosyncratic (and even perverse) with age.


I haven't done an A/B comparison of the early and late Barenboim sonata cycles, but I do love the EMI set. It was originally released at about the same time as a Brendel cycle, and the critics were then more than willing to view the two as similar in overall quality, if different in style.


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#1891057 - 05/04/12 11:54 AM Re: Yuja Wang dazzles in London [Re: Andromaque]  
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Originally Posted by Andromaque


Bennevis, you sound truly bedazzled smile , but PLEASE not even she would compare herself to Richter!!!! And leave the cached messages out!


It takes a lot to bedazzle me - don't forget I'm (relatively) ancient grin.

But equally, big names are just that - big names. When I returned home, I pulled out my (live) Richter recording of Scriabin's Sonata No.5, and not only were there lots of wrong notes (understandable in this work), his range of color and articulation didn't approach hers (though he banged a lot harder). Some may prefer his playing here, but for my taste (and bearing in mind Scriabin's synesthesia), I prefer Wang's conception.

But I still yield to noone in my admiration of Richter...

P.S what cached messages?


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