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Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: DanTheMan14] #1884040
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Originally Posted by DanTheMan14
That's interesting. You have about the same reach as me and i am a lot taller than you. It could be because my age or growth since i am a teenager. What piano or keyboard do you own? I notice i can reach further when i am on a keyboard that is touch sensitive since the keys are smaller compared to a real piano. Could that possibly be the reason for your success? That's still impressive, a lot of the short people i know can barely reach a octave.
No - I play on a 6ft Yamaha at home, and everything from a heap-of-firewood upright or a basic clavinova to Bösies/Steinways/Bechstein when I'm out playing somewhere. (Haven't tried a Fazioli yet!) I've been playing for 55 years and apart from the bit about only recently noticing I have a better 10th with 1-4 than 1-5, my reach has been much the same since my late teens. I use some different fingering now for some things - I definitely do more 1-3, 1-4, 1-5 legato octaves than I used to.


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Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: Rhonda B] #1884049
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Originally Posted by Rhonda B
Stretching makes only a marginal difference to hand span or finger length - see article by Kloeppel in Medical Problems of Performing Artists March 2000. Slight differences in finger length in the left hand of cellists is put down to callouses that form on the fingertips over time. Also in Otto Ortmann's 'The physiological Mechanics of Piano Technique', he says 'To what extent can the skeletal part of the hand or arm be modified by appropriate massage or so-called 'stretch-excercises'? So far as the skeletal part itself is concerned, very little indeed. In order to modify the bone articulations themselves, a beginning would have to be made in early infancy.' Alicia Larrocha may have stretched every day, but what difference it made to her hand span is another matter. Stretching may be beneficial as a warm-up routine however.



As a matter of fact, Kloeppel's actual research doesn't actually address intentional stretching (although rather oddly, she gives some illustrations showing some stretching devices, as if they were germane to what she was measuring, which they are not). None of the people she measured used any particular stretching techniques at all - they just played their instruments. As the abstract of the article says "Further research is needed to discern whether the spreadability could be improved through specific training programs." And I don't see that Ortmann's opinion is backed up by anything (although it should be fairly obvious that what is being stretched is not the bones).

So, at this point, I'm inclined to believe de Larrocha's own words. They were her hands, after all, and I'd think she'd know.

Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: gooddog] #1884094
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I've just had an article published in the MTNA e-journal about the experience of pianists who use reduced-size keyboards:-
That would be a nice solution if smaller pianos were available everywhere but we pianists have to move from place to place without our instruments so practicing on a smaller keyboard would become a handicap. I've taken harpsichords for a test drive and the narrower keys are hard to adjust to.

A little OT: My teacher has told me that it can be very frustrating to work with other instrumentalists because they expect him to sit down at any piano and immediately be able to play it well. They carry their precious flutes and violins with them everywhere and never have the challenge of performing on an entirely different instrument. They become impatient when he takes some time to get to know the piano. They also do not understand why it takes the pianist longer to learn the music because most of their music requires them to play just one note at a time as compared to the pianist who has to decipher chords, bring out fugue voices and could possibly be playing 10 notes at a time. For many instruments, such as the woodwinds, some of the brass and some of the strings, the notes are right under their fingertips, not a yard apart. I'm not suggesting it is easy to play the violin, trumpet or flute well; I'm just saying the pianist's task can be a little more complicated. It's bad enough adjusting to different pianos; I wouldn't want to add to that by having to adjust to different sized keyboards.


That's very interesting. Most of the instrumentalists I have played with have been very understanding about the difficulty of the piano part and also felt themselves lucky to play on the same instrument all the time. (But perhaps that's because I'm constantly harping about how hard my part is... heh)


Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: wr] #1887031
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The idea of reduced size keyboards is really interesting. I'd like to try that out sometime, although I'd imagine it would take a little getting used to, especially since my technique has adapted to having to play octaves on the edge. I think it's great in theory, but probably won't catch on as much as it would need to, since it's still always going to be the alternative. For me, my issue with it is not that I want the extra challenge (I really don't; it's a frustrating inhibitor that is extremely difficult to work around), I just want to be able to play anywhere, and since we don't get to tote our precious instruments around, that means I need to practice on a normal keyboard.

As for the stretching discussion, I know my span is way bigger than it used to be. I might have grown a bit too since I'm still young, but there's a definite effect from stretching (through playing, not stretching exercises.) Also, I have a friend that has played piano and violin from a young age (she's very good!), and her left hand is definitely very noticeably bigger than her right hand (and it didn't use to be like that).

And as Rhonda said, having small hands definitely affects way more than just whether you're able to reach 9ths/10ths or not.

Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: DanTheMan14] #1887660
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I can do an octave for sure, maybe a 9th if I do that edge of the keyboard thing but does anyone actually do that in music?


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Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: fingerspitzngefuhl] #1889081
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Yeah, more realistically 9ths over 10ths. I think Moonlight Sonata First Movement has a few 9ths in it. It is more common than we think because when a interval reaches passed a 9th or 10th melodically we just move our hand to hit the note instead of keeping our hand in the same position which does say time. I seen some players with big hands just completely stay stationary in one spot while they reach for other notes. I guess it really depends on the how technical the song is. You will find use for more reach by more virtuoso like arrangements. Franz Liszt, Chopin, ect. It is also useful having big hands if you want to make chords bigger. But i think both hand sizes have there values.

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Re: How big are your hands? Curious.. [Re: DanTheMan14] #1889101
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I play 9ths consistently, and if I have time to set up, I can stretch a 10th.

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