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Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? #1861062
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I may have the opportunity to acquire an RD-1000 at a sensible price, and in good shape. Having owned one of the SA synthesis home models years ago, I'm pretty much aware of the sounds involved, and the restricted polyphony. What I'm curious about is how the "flagship" model varies in terms of responsiveness and reproduction quality. Is it in fact the prototype of the V (amazing how similar the designs are)? Could it even be regarded as a serious musical instrument by today's standards?

I know EssBrace has one - maybe there are others lurking in forum members' closets. Interested in all opinions.


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: voxpops] #1861077
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It is odd that the box they come in is almost identical. Makes you wonder if they had a bunch leftover in the warehouse, and said, "just put the V-Piano guts in there."


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Certainly saves on retooling costs!


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: voxpops] #1861092
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Oh yes! A subject very close to my heart. The RD is a way better looking thing than the V-Piano - and I mean WAY better! VP is a slab (a very nicely made one mind you) but the RD is a sexy wedge shape.

Vox - is it on its original Roland stand? This is required for the "look" to be right, just as it is with the V-Piano. And the pedal unit is the power supply, so no pedals, no piano!

The sounds are not very piano-like but it plays like a piano - wonderfully dynamic and expressive. The sound is different enough for it to have its own identity. So I regard it as a Fender Rhodes, CP80 type of deal. Like a piano, but different to a piano. Loads of character. Onboard effects exclude reverb but there is a really beautiful analogue chorus and tremelo. Piano 1 and EP 2 are the reasons to buy the old RD - and the look of course. Action is also not very piano like but is lightning fast and a real pleasure to play. Long, pivoted wooden keys.

No one that ever owned one will say bad things about it. Mine is my dearest possession - I intend to be buried with it!

Here is a chance to see and hear the RD-1000 at work (mainly from 3:25):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyi9AbfUa1E

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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: EssBrace] #1861103
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Originally Posted by EssBrace


No one that ever owned one will say bad things about it.


Steve -

What about the mids? smirk

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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: Melodialworks Music] #1861104
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Originally Posted by Melodialworks Music
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No one that ever owned one will say bad things about it.


Steve -

What about the mids? smirk

Lawrence


Ha ha ha!!

No comment.


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: EssBrace] #1861105
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Steve, thanks for your (completely unbiased wink ) opinion! Unfortunately, although the one I'm interested in has the pedal unit, it is without the stand.

I'm all for sexy wenches wedges!!!


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: voxpops] #1861111
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Originally Posted by voxpops
Unfortunately, although the one I'm interested in has the pedal unit, it is without the stand.

I'm all for sexy wenches wedges!!!


Shame about the stand!! Just out of interest if you don't mind my asking, what is the price of the old girl? I had two for a while in case my first one ever broke but I just didn't have the space to store two.

You've given me the itch to get mine set up again...I keep meaning to open it up and take some pictures of the action and electronics for Dewster so we can see what state of the art '86 looks like. If there's nothing on telly I might just do it this evening.


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: voxpops] #1861127
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Steve, the guy's asking $500. Not too bad if it's all OK. It's a long drive from me, so I'm just a little hesitant, and wanting to get some input from owners first.

I'm sure we'd all love to see some nekid pictures, if there are no reruns of Only Fools and Horses to distract you!


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Mange tout Rodney!


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i have the baby Brother to that piano - love the sounds! It was way ahead of it's time. If I could ever get my hands on the RD-1000 i would do it. I hear the action is better but I haven't actually played the 1000. Of course if you are just looking for the sound the MKS-20 is the same thing in a rack module.


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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Here is a chance to see and hear the RD-1000 at work (mainly from 3:25):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyi9AbfUa1E


Steve, if you do get your RD-1000 down from the loft, don't forget to dress-up in a baggy suit and hat and prance around like an idiot.

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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: Kawai James] #1861259
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Here is a chance to see and hear the RD-1000 at work (mainly from 3:25):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyi9AbfUa1E


Steve, if you do get your RD-1000 down from the loft, don't forget to dress-up in a baggy suit and hat and prance around like an idiot.

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Harsh! You were supposed to be admiring the RD!


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: Kawai James] #1861272
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Steve, if you do get your RD-1000 down from the loft, don't forget to dress-up in a baggy suit and hat and prance around like an idiot.


Gosh, if it's up in the loft, he'll need some muscle to fill that baggy suit!


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: EssBrace] #1861292
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
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No one that ever owned one will say bad things about it.


Steve -

What about the mids? smirk

Lawrence


Ha ha ha!!

No comment.


I bet some of the mids are so bad that they sound like actual piano notes. Totally unacceptable! (Sorry, couldn't resist . . )

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It's a pity that with all the enormity of Youtube, there isn't one video of somebody just playing the RD1000 solo. I can't judge anything by a cheesy, effects laden 80's Elton John mix.

Any chance you could make a recording, Steve?

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Originally Posted by Melodialworks Music
I bet some of the mids are so bad that they sound like actual piano notes. Totally unacceptable! (Sorry, couldn't resist . . )


Yes, when I heard some of the more realistic sounds it makes in the midrange I almost asked for my money back. I mean, Roland marketed it as an "electronic, synthetic sounding pastiche of a piano" so I was devastated when I found a few notes that sounded like the real thing. Roland should have delivered on their promise!


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Re: Roland RD1000 - is it an early "V" or just a curiosity? [Re: ando] #1861316
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Originally Posted by ando
It's a pity that with all the enormity of Youtube, there isn't one video of somebody just playing the RD1000 solo. I can't judge anything by a cheesy, effects laden 80's Elton John mix.

Any chance you could make a recording, Steve?


I'll see what I can do. It (the RD) is under the bed! It's so heavy the last time I tried to shift it alone I hurt myself so I'll get it set up very soon hopefully. I've opened it up before (it's hinged across the back so you just swing the whole top up a bit like a car bonnet) and from memory it is worth looking at in there so I'll take some pictures.


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This sounds like a reasonably faithful recording of a RD-1000:
Bennie And The Jets - Elton John - Live in London 1993

Btw, the bright sound in "I don't wanna go on with you like that" sounds like Piano 3 (the electric grand) to me, however an extreme Elton fanatic swears that it is just Piano 1.

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Originally Posted by sullivang
This sounds like a reasonably faithful recording of a RD-1000:
Bennie And The Jets - Elton John - Live in London 1993

Btw, the bright sound in "I don't wanna go on with you like that" sounds like Piano 3 (the electric grand) to me, however an extreme Elton fanatic swears that it is just Piano 1.

Greg.

It is quite a distinctive sound - but attractive. Difficult to get too much of an idea of its expressive capabilities with Elton John pounding away so much.


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It's a all time Classic .... $500 will seem like a bargain in 10 years time for this board.


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Originally Posted by Dr Popper
It's a all time Classic .... $500 will seem like a bargain in 10 years time for this board.


Indeed.


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Originally Posted by sullivang
This sounds like a reasonably faithful recording of a RD-1000:
Bennie And The Jets - Elton John - Live in London 1993
Greg.


Nice find. I was at that gig, which was a benefit at Earls Court for his Aids foundation thing. I remember Elton doing some weird running/dancing/skipping across the stage to a rousing version of Jumping Jack Flash and it reminded me that he is no Mick Jagger when it comes to his moves!

I remember not leaving enough time to get to the show and getting caught in traffic with my Dad and we sat stuck outside a row of terraced houses and a young Harry Hill came out of one of them, dressed as his TV persona. I said, "look Dad, it's Harry Hill" but he didn't know who he was. Funny what you remember....

Another performance with a little more circumspection at the same show...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjnKibxI2PA

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Steve, is the 1000 fully electronic, or electro-mechanical?


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It's electronic. Resynthesis of piano sounds rather than samples. (Sorry, I know the question wasn't addressed to me.)


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From the RD's manual:

Roland has developed a new kind of digital synthesis technology - Structured Adaptive (SA) Sound Synthesis. SA Sound Synthesis employs a technique which neither approximates nor simulates acoustic sounds, but actually recreates these sounds. Note for note, nuance for nuance, harmonic characteristics and timbre variations are faithfully replicated across the entire range of the keyboard. Sounds respond to playing dynamics with extraordinary accuracy and warmth. SA Sound Synthesis far surpasses sampling technology in its ability to reproduce and articulate astoundingly realistic sounds.


It's an amazingly contemporary description from today's perspective and yet this is from a quarter of a century ago - Roland could almost use this rhetoric to describe the V-Piano.

It is my understanding that the SA technology was the brainchild of one particular man within Roland. He died and no one else understood the concept to quite the same degree. This is the reason the technology stagnated for a few years. Then I understand over ten years ago now Roland revisited the concept and the result is....the V-Piano.


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vox- thanks for responding too.

sounds incredibly unique. did it catch on commercially?


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Yes it did. It was featured in many of the Roland home pianos of that era as well as in stage and studio gear. I loved the EP sounds in my SA Roland HP from the 80s. Then it was dropped in favor of samples.


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