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Re: Concert pianist finances?
RachManiac #1859612 03/10/12 08:29 PM
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I have it on authority that it's easier to clip an aneurysm than to play a Brahms Intermezzo well.

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Originally Posted by Kreisler
If he's making $900k, then he's one of the highest paid neurosurgeons in the entire country. My guess is that your estimate is on the high side. Average would be more in the $450-550k range. (Less in academic medicine, higher in private practice in major urban areas.)

If I had to place a bet one way or the other, I'd guess that the 15-year-old son is closer that any of us could be.

Sure, as per what you said, most don't make that much. But I don't think it's as rare as you indicate, and since in any event it's quite possible that what RachManiac said is right, I'd hesitate to tell someone that he's wrong about how much he thinks his dad makes.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
[...] and since in any event it's quite possible that what RachManiac said is right, I'd hesitate to tell someone that he's wrong about how much he thinks his dad makes.


On other other hand, so many teenagers have absolutely no idea of family income, specifically, to say nothing of the idea of wages in general. So, I wouldn't be surprised if RM is off the mark, here. That said, he could also be right, but I wouldn't bet on it on the basis of what he posted.

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On reflection, op should follow dad's advice, go to Yale, et al, become a doctor, get rich and practice in his spare time.


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[...] and since in any event it's quite possible that what RachManiac said is right, I'd hesitate to tell someone that he's wrong about how much he thinks his dad makes.
On other other hand, so many teenagers have absolutely no idea of family income, specifically, to say nothing of the idea of wages in general. So, I wouldn't be surprised if RM is off the mark, here. That said, he could also be right, but I wouldn't bet on it on the basis of what he posted.

Right.
But the subject isn't which is more likely, is it??
It's whether it is proper in such a situation to take such an initiative to tell the kid that he's probably wrong.

IMO he isn't even "probably" wrong anyway. He might be wrong; he might be right.

In such a situation, I think it's an awful idea to come out and tell the kid you think he's wrong. (BTW, I don't mean "you you"; I know that you're not the one who said it.) smile

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Originally Posted by RachManiac
He thinks that if you're not rich, you're a failure at life.


Sure - and then there's George Bailey - the "richest man in town." smile

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unless you are really exceptional (or resigned to living in squalor), major in something practical in school. Sure it sounds fun to major in piano performance or comparative literature or some other humanities study, but doing so is really like majoring in poverty. I think too many kids have been raised under the false assumption that studying something that you enjoy will lead to a successful career in that area.

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Becoming a successful doctor is no sure thing I might add. Today there are only a few fields making in excess of half a million dollars/year and the competition is fierce amongst those who are eligible. Medicine is an art similar to piano so a particular touch and feel is necessary like a pianist to be successful. The Art of Medicine is only understood by a select few who know how to listen, then talk to their patients, and hopefully teach their patient about their maladies. Surgical skill is another test trying to keep everything progressing properly in the patients best direction. Then again having the ability too listen first, then speak, and always comfort. With the two renown pianist's I have studied with I would not take their job's, because as much as I love the piano I still think to perform our profession well is more difficult and equally demanding but still amply gratifying. All the traveling a pianist has to endure quickly becomes an unwelcome journey the second or third season around for a successful pianist. The best of the best usually can play Carnegie Hall no more than twice perhaps three times a season. Many of the rest of the venues are entertaining too but just think 100-130 concerts a year with two-four different programs. Would it truly be so joyful to know that you must play well now at this moment always? I feel from several conversations with my two maestro's, that it is a labor of love. But after 40 or 50 years of age unfortunately becomes an endurance test that is not always welcomed. Perhaps for some but not for all. While a doctor's work is methodical, time consuming but stationary for the most part. I am very content as a urologist striving to play the piano better and better every moment. Thats three hours a day and four on weekends. Being a physician has given me the discipline, mental toughness to pursue this humbling goal.


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Since the OP seems to have no intention of providing me with the information I asked for (I didn't expect it really) I'm going to go ahead and finish my input.

Don't bother with the piano, Rmaniac. Please save the university spot for someone who is truly serious (you're clearly not) about the piano and music.



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Originally Posted by RachManiac
The problem that my father has with music, is that he knows that I'll never make as much as he does. He has a philosophy that each generation should be more successful than the last....He thinks that if you're not rich, you're a failure at life. I'd love to follow in his footsteps, but it's hard to deal with someone that has such a twisted logic.



Your dad's fierce outlook is shared by many in N. America, especially immigrants. It's colliding with your love of the arts, and with your desire to live your own life. Pick a college at least 1000 miles away from home. And show him this thread.

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Since the OP seems to have no intention of providing me with the information I asked for (I didn't expect it really) I'm going to go ahead and finish my input.
Don't bother with the piano, Rmaniac. Please save the university spot for someone who is truly serious (you're clearly not) about the piano and music.

While that might be a little harsh grin and while I've been sort of 'defending' him against what I've felt to be unjustified and out-of-bounds things, I'm with your basic impression. He hasn't said anything about his level of playing, and I think the impression (including because of not having addressed what you asked) is that he's way short of it being meaningful to think about a piano performance career. It's not just a thing of whether someone can make as good a living in piano performance as in neurosurgery. It's whether it makes any sense for him to be thinking of one or the other.

I also wonder if he assumes he'll just be able to walk into Yale or a place like it, which is how it seems and which isn't so unless his qualifications will be outstanding. Unless I missed something, he hasn't said anything about his level or qualifications for anything, just his wishes and levels of interest. Hopefully he's implying that he's a top, top student and that there really is little doubt of getting into Yale or whatever -- but we don't know. I hope he does. smile

RachMan: Hopefully you really are well in line academically for what you're saying. But you're best off if you realize that it won't be handed to you, legacy or no legacy. You'll have to do well and you'll have to be a very good candidate.

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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
Originally Posted by RachManiac
The problem that my father has with music, is that he knows that I'll never make as much as he does. He has a philosophy that each generation should be more successful than the last....He thinks that if you're not rich, you're a failure at life. I'd love to follow in his footsteps, but it's hard to deal with someone that has such a twisted logic.



Your dad's fierce outlook is shared by many in N. America, especially immigrants. It's colliding with your love of the arts, and with your desire to live your own life. Pick a college at least 1000 miles away from home. And show him this thread.


Probably NOT a good idea !!! grin



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When I needed back surgery my neurosurgeon made a big improvement in my life. Oddly enough, my internist, who recommended this doctor, told me he was a concert-quality pianist who used music to maintain balance and relax between surgeries. Maybe you could do both?

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Try doing a double degree?

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Originally Posted by Ralph

Hilarious! ha

It's already funny right from the beginning, but then when 'that other guy' comes in, fuhgedaboudit! grin

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Ok, I don't mean to sound harsh but if concert piano was really what you NEEDED, you wouldn't be worrying about finances...

And I would suggest (like what Stores said) to only go into concert piano (or any other arts category for that matter) if that's what you NEED and can't live without.

If you are just looking at the job of a concert pianist because you think it's a "glamorous" job with all the travel, touring, meeting new people, tuxedos etc... think again because A) few people make it to the "glamorous" stage and b) any arts career takes TONS of work, talent, and drive (and a bit of luck doesn't hurt either).

Piano is not for the "faint-of-heart"...

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Life is short. Do what you love. Money is not important, there are no pockets in a shroud.

When you are lying on your deathbed, you won't be wishing you'd spent more time at the office. You may very well wish you'd spent more time at the piano.


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......but it's really not like brain surgery now is it?


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