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swinging eighth notes with speed #1854895
03/02/12 01:38 PM
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I wanted to know how people practice to swing their eighth notes for improvising. I am having trouble getting really fast. I keep the metronome just clicking on 2 and 4 and I can't get much past 120.

Here is what I am doing.

Scales 4 octaves met on 2 and 4

chord progressions of songs in the left, constant eighth notes in the right hand, met on 2 and 4

transcibed solo in the right and chords in the left, met on 2 and 4.

Just seeing if there are some other tips anyone has to build speed.

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Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1854908
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As you get faster the swing 'triplet' rhythm gradually becomes more even, so at fast tempos it is more like even 1/8s.

Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1854961
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Originally Posted by mikey keys
I wanted to know how people practice to swing their eighth notes for improvising. I am having trouble getting really fast. I keep the metronome just clicking on 2 and 4 and I can't get much past 120.

Here is what I am doing.

Scales 4 octaves met on 2 and 4

chord progressions of songs in the left, constant eighth notes in the right hand, met on 2 and 4

transcibed solo in the right and chords in the left, met on 2 and 4.

Just seeing if there are some other tips anyone has to build speed.


Yes,
As the tempo increases the eighths do tend to get more even.

Improving your speed and technical ability w/ swinging scales can also be improved by paying more attention to articulation and note duration.

Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1855167
03/02/12 07:57 PM
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thanks guys. I already feel the straightening of the eighth notes. I think my biggest problem is I keep losing the metronome, except on the scales, on the scales it is just harder to get faster. I believe I have to feel the rhythm better, but I feel like I am stuck and can't get any faster.

I am curious to hear about paying more attention to articulation and note duration. Is there something more specific I should be paying attention to.

Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1855534
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Accent the "+" of the beats and do not accent the 1 2 3 4 downbeats. Play it legato. And play it a little more evenly than exact triplets. And, VERY important: lay back behind the beat ever so slightly.


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Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1856632
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I've found that if I record something on my electric piano at a slow tempo, and really swing the eighth notes, then when I speed it up it sounds really good. What I get from that is that even if it's harder to swing at higher tempo, it's good to strive for it.

Here's a video showing what I mean:


Re: swinging eighth notes with speed [Re: mikey keys] #1856925
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Originally Posted by mikey keys
I am curious to hear about paying more attention to articulation and note duration. Is there something more specific I should be paying attention to.

We mortals frequently "ghost" more non-essential notes at the higher speeds. Things change -- accents that seem out-of-place at slower tempi frequently give a real lift at the faster speeds. Also, "empty space" (rests) has much more rhythmic significance at faster tempi.
Ed


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