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Originally Posted by Steve Cohen
One other factor to consider is that not all potential buyers of pianos play or trust their ability to evaluate the tonality and rsponsiveness of pianos they are considering. Many buy a piano to "grow into".

They often rely on the opinions of others.


That's scary, Steve. smile

What if they were to think that the ribs in the Estonia were made by Tony Roma? grin



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I made the post because I don't think that the challenges to a piano that are definitely present in the Lizst B Minor were present in the snippet submitted here, and that the inference by an Estonia dealer that that Estonia passed a stern test based on that snippet was bogus.


Just to be perfectly clear, I generally agree with this statement. I hope that you are not saying that I inferred that the Estonia 225 passed some stern test based on Sam's recording. I couldn't figure out if you were referring to my post or someone elses'.


Keith,

I just found this post. Guilty as charged.

Yeah, I thought you were inferring something with your comment about the B Minor. I always think of you as a pianist first and a piano retailer second, so I'm glad to know I was wrong.

Let's have a Lizst Sonata in B minor thread sometime. I love that thing to death, but a couple of run throughs as written can put the piano out of tune.


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One other factor to consider is that not all potential buyers of pianos play or trust their ability to evaluate the tonality and rsponsiveness of pianos they are considering. Many buy a piano to "grow into".

They often rely on the opinions of others.


That's scary, Steve. smile

What if they were to think that the ribs in the Estonia were made by Tony Roma? grin


They aren't???

[Actually I must admit...I find Tony Roma's ribs much more "sustaining".]


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Originally Posted by Steve Cohen


They aren't???

[Actually I must admit...I find Tony Roma's ribs much more "sustaining".]


And exactly what authority is a nice Jewish boy on pork Ribs?


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This thread combines Estonia pianos with Tony Roma's ribs and is therefore my favorite place in the world!

I wonder when the 225 will show up in Europe, that will probably be another year. And probably 5 years until I get to play one. But then again, I plan to have the house that it would fit into in 10 years at the earliest so that's still plenty of time smile


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Hello All,

I now have several new recordings of the Estonia L225. I selected 2 short clips from other full performances that are available elsewhere on YouTube. The full versions are better, but the clips are easier to digest. Feel free to kick this can around, but I know several of you are genuinely interested...and I had fun making them. smile Oh, and it's the first time I've used this new recording setup. blush

Earlier today, I also uploaded a clip of our fearless leader, Frank Baxter , taking a break from his current road trip playing a couple of pianos including the L225. cool


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Sam,

Visiting your YouTube Channel frequently I noticed the new Estonia videos but not yet the Frank Baxter one: also very nice indeed.

I would recommend everyone to watch the full length videos and preferably to switch to high definition (HD).

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While I do love the Estonia pianos and also I enjoy Norberts posts a bunch,

I saw this on his__ Heritage site:

"""While all of world’s top pianos are very special, the Estonia grand piano offers something unique in that it has not taken part in all too common “louder is better” race, sometimes called “Yamahazation” by most of the current manufacturers of today.""""

It is an explanation (or apology?) of what I find lacking in the Estonias, I wish it was a louder Piano, I still have plans on purchasing one as I think they are great. But next to a Fazioli (for example) it is a noticeable volume sacrifice...

Is there much you can do to raise the SPL of these guys?

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johnkuker,

Are you talking about the new model 7'4" against other pianos of the same size or Estonias in general?

Having played a decent handful of model 190s at this point, I guess what I noticed compared with other good quality pianos of that size was a tone biased towards lyrical beauty and a dynamic range that seems more intended for a home than a hall. The latter trait made the piano a contender for me, but the former didn't work well with the full range or repertoire that I like to play.

I imagine the larger model might provide more of the oomph you desire... if not, there certainly are many louder pianos out there to choose!


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Hi, Yeah the 7'4" was the best Estonia I have heard, and You are correct there are other screamers out there__ j


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I find lacking in the Estonias, I wish it was a louder Piano, I still have plans on purchasing one as I think they are great. But next to a Fazioli (for example) it is a noticeable volume sacrifice...


This may be true for some - but not necessarily for others.

Just like the one before, we just sold our last 225 Estonia to a gentleman who not only compared the piano to above named super star but several others of equally high-highest tier.

Money? No problem: this guy had enough to buy both companies twice over...

Nice to have another remarkable choice - that's what it's all about.

This being said with greatest respect to everyone else out there....

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How Many Estonia 225's have been built? I played the Namm one and really liked it did anyone else check this one out? Thanks

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1 per month since its introduction. Most have already been sold to customers.


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Thanks Sam,

I Saw the video of you guys having one (I think) What was the impression as compares to other
high end pianos? Thanks for your time j

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Many of the current crop of videos of the 225 are those captured at NAMM (some of mine, some from Keyboard Magazine, etc.) or those recorded at our store with the help of good friends. I'm no recording expert to capture the instrument's true voice, but what was easy to capture is the immediate excitement of those playing and listening to the music from this instrument for the very first time. The music from that piano almost kills you with kindness.

I love the variety of high end pianos. Piano comparisons keep this forum alive, but are about as reliable as eye-witness testimony. Our 225 took more preparation than I was expecting, but that's about the only comment I can think of that isn't absolutely glowing. So I'll reserve my bias and defer to the videos as an introduction to others.

By the way, if you want to gain a sense of volume from the 225, I recommend this video.


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Wow!!! wow


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Wow!!! wow
Yeah. That guy knows what he's doing. smile


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Pretty cool to see a passionate piano player who is also a passionate piano maker!


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Thanks Sam,

Yeah it seems like a wonderful instrument-- It certainly seems louder then I was remembering when Indrek Laul crashes on it!

I like the Video of Dr. Laul's wife playing Namm 2012 the best though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IngEZmZt33Y
she made it sound so pretty__ I wonder what she is playing...??

I wish someone who bought one would do a review! cheers


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Originally Posted by Wound up

I like the Video of Dr. Laul's wife playing Namm 2012 the best though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IngEZmZt33Y
she made it sound so pretty__ I wonder what she is playing...??


There are two women featured in the video. The first is playing the Schumann Fantasy Opus 17. The second is playing the first movement of the Schumann Piano Concerto.


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