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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
Dave Ferris #1816770 01/01/12 11:30 PM
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Good stuff Dave. That S6 though doesn't sound like a real S6. Maybe the S6 I'm used to playing is always made to sound less bright. But this is brighter and lacking the body in comparison. Kind of like the Bright Grand S4 in the Nord. Really brighter than expected. And I'm fond of S pianos.

Since you had an S6 yourself, maybe yours turned bright too. The S6 I'm used to (and you know which one), does get special treatment and new hammers frequently. Maybe that's why it never gets bright.

Also like Zachary, I really lost track of when you shifted back in favor of the Nord. I only remember reading this thread.


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
Dave Ferris #1816948 01/02/12 09:47 AM
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Wow, the Nord Piano sounds marvellous in all the recordings. I have somehow missed this thread. I've just listened to all the samples and I must admit I am amazed at how realistic the NP sounds. I would have easily mistaken it for a real acoustic piano. Maybe part of that impression comes from the Dave's top-notch playing! It's such a pleasure to listen to you, Dave smile

Seems I'll have to give the NP a try although I am afraid nobody offers NP in Bulgaria except for online ordering frown


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Here's the second tune from that LAMA (LA Music Academy) session with the Nord Piano.
Again this is for the composition/arranging students at the school. They write out the arrangement and we play it. This was a first take and we had no scratch vocal to play off of.. cry . The vocalist here is one of the students who obviously overdubbed his vocal later...

I received the file in its entirety like this. If you want to skip the vocal-the comping and Trumpet solo start at 2:00. The Piano solo comes in around 3:05..

This is the XL Yamaha Bright Grand:

http://www.divshare.com/download/16656388-108


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Dave, the playing is wonderful, as always...

if the CP5 were as light as the NP88, would you bother with the Nord? I have always preferred the sound of the cp5 on your recordings- which really surprised me. My impression is you like the Nord for its outstanding portability more than anything?


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Sounds outstanding Dave. The Bright Grand is quickly becoming my favorite piano. It sounds really nice in this mix, very organic. Thanks for sharing. BTW, how does it sound live to your ears compared to the NP88?


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Thanks guys, really appreciated.

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if the CP5 were as light as the NP88, would you bother with the Nord? I have always preferred the sound of the cp5 on your recordings- which really surprised me. My impression is you like the Nord for its outstanding portability more than anything?


You know at first the portability was the main issue in me getting the NP again. But after using it on probably close to 20 gigs now, in a way I prefer the sound to the CP5 live. It cuts through better. In the registers above High C it doesn't sound as realistic as the CP5 but in the middle, low and middle high it sounds good. The action still isn't very inspiring to play on. I try not to let it be an issue when I play but I'm definitely more fluent on the CP5 without a doubt. On the other hand, what I'm losing action wise, I'm gaining in sonics. Sometimes the CP5 as great as it sounds solo or recorded loses something live..it seems almost too mellow for certain situations.

The new Bright Grand and Bosie sample along with the long release feature made a night and day in difference in my feeling better about the Nord pianos.

If I had a big concert, with a really great sound system and there wasn't an acoustic available (for some strange reason), I'd probably still opt for the Yamaha just from an expressive and overall playability standpoint. But since most of the stuff I'm doing requires me schlepping the keyboard myself, the Nord is getting the call most often these days.

Basically there are trade offs with both, neither are in the same universe as a piano. They're both very good, imo the best things out there at this point in time-different colors for sure. In the end you just try and do your best, even though it's not a real piano, and just focus on the music and try to not let the *gear* get too much in the way...

Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
BTW, how does it sound live to your ears compared to the NP88?


Hey Zach, I'm assuming you meant CP5...but see the above..


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

In the end you just try and do your best, even though it's not a real piano, and just focus on the music and try to not let the *gear* get too much in the way.....


man, that really is the stone-cold truth. sometimes when i read these threads, i can't help but hear Dusty Springfield singing "Wishin' and Hopin"... the theme of this forum!!!


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
Dave Ferris #1833654 01/28/12 02:02 PM
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Sounds excellent! What settings (eq etc.) did you use for this recording? I don't know why but it sounds better in your recording than when I play the Bright Grand. Maybe you're just a lot better player than I am smile


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Thanks - no eq or effects (from the keyboard) were used. Just the standard BG sample as it was loaded in.


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Thanks Dave! Excellent playing and demos, and they help us get a better idea of the DP sounds and make better purchase decisions!


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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I couldn't let the the chance to record the 2 DPs with this great preamp I'm trying out, the Forssell SM2, pass by before I return it tomorrow. So since the newer Nord Bosie sample came out since the last time I did this, I thought I'd include that. I tried to match the levels, it's close but not perfect.

So it's DPs > Radial Duplex DI > Forssell SM2 (prototype) > Tascam DV-RA1000HD (Audio Upgrades modded A/D & D/A)

The great Louis Bonfa tune "Gentle Rain" :

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http://www.divshare.com/download/17580870-0f4

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http://www.divshare.com/download/17580902-268


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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Dave, pardon my ignorance (I've yet to listen to your recordings), however I'm just curious as to how the sound is improved by using the additional hardware, as opposed to recording directly into the Tascam.

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Sounds great Dave. Thanks for sharing. I think the Nord sounds better while comping and the Yamaha sounds a little more even and refined. I think then Yamaha sounds better throughout the upper registers. Both sound good though.


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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

The great Louis Bonfa tune "Gentle Rain" :

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http://www.divshare.com/download/17580870-0f4

Nord Piano XL Bosendorfer
http://www.divshare.com/download/17580902-268


Dave,

The "Gentle Rain" tune happens to be one of my favorites, and, you play both renditions very well.

I'll have to find my copy of the sheet music (arranged by George Shearing), to try it.

Nice job!

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Dave, pardon my ignorance (I've yet to listen to your recordings), however I'm just curious as to how the sound is improved by using the additional hardware, as opposed to recording directly into the Tascam.

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Hey James. I can't tell you in technical terms what it does. But just listening, the higher end preamp gives the sound more fullness, realism and detail for a start. You can't record directly into a hard disk recorder (or any source) unless the recorder already has some internal preamps, in which case, the Tascam doesn't. For recording I've always been using the pres from my Soundcraft Delta mixer. These have been hot-rodded by Jim Williams at Audio Upgrades and are very good. As nice as they sound, they have their sonic limitations and are no match for a stand alone dedicated preamp. I think if you A/B my earlier Nord/CP5 recordings with these latest ones there's a pretty obvious difference.

The Radial Duplex Stereo Di is simply a way to interface with the preamp, to change the impedance from line level to mic. In the process of going into the pres, the Radial further helps in smoothing out the sound without coloring it, in addition to adding more punch both live and on the recording.. Hope that helps.

In the meantime, in my continuing search for something for the Steinway and also that can pull double duty, live, with the DP, I have yet another preamp over here to mess around with. This time the John Hardy Twin Servo.

Some more Gentle Rain, this time with the Nord XL Yamaha Bright Grand
http://www.divshare.com/download/17800621-d32

The XL Bosie again.
http://www.divshare.com/download/17800641-594

It was late over here last night after a gig, so my ears were a bit tired (plus I'm really gentle rained out cry ) but I'm hearing a tad more color withe Hardy then the Forssell. Which is normal. The Hardy has the Jenson 990 transformers and the Forssell is transformer-less.

Sad to say, no more CP5 recordings.... frown However when I finally make up my mind, I'm going to have one heck of a preamp from the sale of the CP5..

I'm going to make some recordings tomorrow on the Steinway with the Hardy...



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Re: Jazz piano examples on the Nord Piano & Yamaha CP-5
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Thanks for the explanation Dave!

So is it not possible to record a piece direct from the Nord, and then re-record it using the additional hardware?

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Sorry but you lost me there. "Re-record it" -are you talking about a midi file or going into the computer usb ?


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I think James meant record it twice - once with and once without the additional processing.


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Ah I see. I'm kinda in the practice/ recording the acoustic mode right now but later on if I switch gears and get back into the dp mindset, I'll try and do a short rendition of Gentle Rain just going into the hd recorder with my inexpensive A&H ZED 10 mixer. Again though for comparison, you can A/B this, which was posted earlier on in the thread, with the recent GR recordings of the Forssell & Hardy..

Soundcraft Delta board pres, no di, older Nord Yamaha Studio Grand sample.
So the chain is: DP > Soundcraft console > HD recorder
http://www.divshare.com/download/12844997-d39


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