 |
Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers
(it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!
|
|
|
|
66 members (AlkansBookcase, brdwyguy, 20/20 Vision, Charles Cohen, 36251, benkeys, clothearednincompo, bcalvanese, booms, 10 invisible),
1,967
guests, and
273
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 14,439
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 14,439 |
Don't expect a dealer to make you a favorable offer. Instead, turn it around the other way. You ought to make the offer yourself. "I don't think a local dealer will offer me a price I cant refuse."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,894
5000 Post Club Member
|
|
5000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,894 |
Don't expect a dealer to make you a favorable offer.
Instead, turn it around the other way.
You ought to make the offer yourself. A reasonable offer might be just splitting the difference between what the online price is and the local price. If they will do that, I think I would go for it.
Don
Kawai MP7SE, On Stage KS7350 keyboard stand, KRK Classic 5 powered monitors, SennHeiser HD 559 Headphones
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097 |
shokz, I too would recommend purchasing a piano from a local dealer, or at least a store within driving distance. Not only will you be supporting the UK economy, you will be minimising the risk of potential damage incurred from international shipping. And as everyone will tell you, it's absolutely essential to play-test a wide range of instruments before making your purchasing decision - regardless of whether it's a Yamaha, Kawai, or Roland. This link should provide an idea of the Kawai DP dealers in your area. Kind regards, James x
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457
Full Member
|
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457 |
shokz, I too would recommend purchasing a piano from a local dealer, or at least a store within driving distance. Not only will you be supporting the UK economy, you will be minimising the risk of potential damage incurred from international shipping. And as everyone will tell you, it's absolutely essential to play-test a wide range of instruments before making your purchasing decision - regardless of whether it's a Yamaha, Kawai, or Roland. This link should provide an idea of the Kawai DP dealers in your area. Kind regards, James x (thanks to everyone again for the replies) The closest dealer is about 15 miles away, I can get access to roland and yamaha models, Its just the Kawai that's a bit difficult
Piano; YDP161
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097 |
15 miles away = difficult?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097 |
I think Kawai is a lot like Kurzweil. With the greatest respect, Kawai is nothing like Kurzweil. The only thing the two companies have in common is the initial letter. James x
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,095
1000 Post Club Member
|
|
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,095 |
Thomann is not always the cheapest store. I bought my CN33 from a local store slightly cheaper than at Thomann. On the other hand I agree with James. It’s a good value to have a nearby store if you get some issue with the instrument. This can happen with any brand.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,565
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,565 |
15 miles away = difficult? Tut. The youth of today. Even shokz's jobseekers would cover the bus ride. Or 15 miles is within cycling radius. Or in a mate's or family member's car. 15 miles = NOT difficult! And well worth it if it means you can try and maybe subsequently choose the right piano. shokz - put yourself about a bit and try out some pianos! Shops will make you very welcome and you can start to form some of your own opinions about the different pianos. Good luck, Steve
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 708
500 Post Club Member
|
|
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 708 |
I have a KDP80. After about four months it developed clicking keys. I put up with it for a while but it became a distraction.
I contacted Kawai Australia who promptly sent out a technician who explained the problem re greasing of the mechanics. He put additional white grease on every key. Fixed.
While it would have been preferable for there to have been no problem. It was fixed quickly and courteously.
Guitar since 1966. Piano (Kawai DP80) since 2011.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 19,097 |
15 miles away = difficult? Tut. The youth of today. Agreed! Come on shokz, you lazy bugger, get your bike out! ![[Linked Image]](http://velo-city.org/cargo-trailers/gotoes.org-bikesatwork-bicycle-trailer.jpg) Cheers, James x
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457
Full Member
|
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457 |
Haha,I walk everywhere I go, and 15 miles is alot of walking distance, my bike is not in working order,and I dont like public transport, one they are expensive and second you can find some dodgy people in there sometimes. So if I was going to go I'd walk it  Lets see where life takes me
Piano; YDP161
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 14,439
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 14,439 |
Based on your posts, you've been looking for a piano for at least three months. It won't take that long to go 15 miles to a piano dealer. If walking suits you, fine. If not, and you don't like public transport, then aren't taxicabs available?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 298
Full Member
|
|
Full Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 298 |
I think Kawai is a lot like Kurzweil. With the greatest respect, Kawai is nothing like Kurzweil. The only thing the two companies have in common is the initial letter. Nonsense, James, they both share a similar vowel sound at the end!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 298
Full Member
|
|
Full Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 298 |
shokz, folks here just don't want you to suffer buyer's remorse. Most of us have been there, and I don't recommend it. Only you can be the judge of whether a 30 mile round trip is too much for you.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 75
Full Member
|
|
Full Member
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 75 |
I have a feeling that the problems with the MP10's has to do with rough handling during shipping.
My CN43 was put together and pre-tested before being delivered by a piano moving company.
She's perfect.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 21
Full Member
|
|
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 21 |
One single positive vote for Kawai Ca63 - awesome DP so far. Obviously no statistics to argue the op's point, but I fully agree with the general observation that far more negative comments are posted to forums than positive supportive ones regardless of the subject.
Between the drums, guitars, and my CA63, I am in desperate need of more hands!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 18
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 18 |
As the guy who posted the "Received my second damaged Kawai" post I should probably mention that despite of this I'm still looking for a MP10/CA93/CS6. Only this time I'll try getting one from a local dealer rather than ordering online, in an attempt to minimize the shipping-damage factor.
Seeing these trucks come and go throwing that big MP10 all over the place I'm 87.56% sure the damage on these instruments was a resulted of shipping, not an inherent production issue.
Although damaged I did get to play around with the first MP10 and I did get a very favourable impression. The issue with that particular instrument was the one of the "piano" buttons not working, everything else was fine.
In fact, when I eventually receive a working Kawai I will post the news here, hopefully contributing to restoring the somewhat bad rap Kawai is getting around here.
By the way, I ordrered from Thomann. I've found their custommer service to be excellent. But as I said, I'll try a local dealer since I suspect that door-to-door shipping of heavy instruments is not a great idea.
In terms of Kawai statistics on this forum, we should bear in mind that finding a Kawai dealer is probably harder than finding a Roland/Yamaha dealer ( I guess), meaning more people will have to resort to online ordering, again increasing the chances of shipping damage. At least that's my theory, partly based on my own diffculties in finding a local Kawai dealer.
Now, if I could only get to learn in detail the difference between the MP10 and CA93 and CS6...
Anders
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457
Full Member
|
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 457 |
As the guy who posted the "Received my second damaged Kawai" post I should probably mention that despite of this I'm still looking for a MP10/CA93/CS6. Only this time I'll try getting one from a local dealer rather than ordering online, in an attempt to minimize the shipping-damage factor.
Seeing these trucks come and go throwing that big MP10 all over the place I'm 87.56% sure the damage on these instruments was a resulted of shipping, not an inherent production issue.
Although damaged I did get to play around with the first MP10 and I did get a very favourable impression. The issue with that particular instrument was the one of the "piano" buttons not working, everything else was fine.
In fact, when I eventually receive a working Kawai I will post the news here, hopefully contributing to restoring the somewhat bad rap Kawai is getting around here.
By the way, I ordrered from Thomann. I've found their custommer service to be excellent. But as I said, I'll try a local dealer since I suspect that door-to-door shipping of heavy instruments is not a great idea.
In terms of Kawai statistics on this forum, we should bear in mind that finding a Kawai dealer is probably harder than finding a Roland/Yamaha dealer ( I guess), meaning more people will have to resort to online ordering, again increasing the chances of shipping damage. At least that's my theory, partly based on my own diffculties in finding a local Kawai dealer.
Now, if I could only get to learn in detail the difference between the MP10 and CA93 and CS6...
Anders
Thanks Anders, Im having doubts ordering internationally, And Im glad you mentioned that you ordered from Thomann!! Because that is one of the main place I was considering ordering from. I think International might be too risky, Im going to try and buy one from the UK
Piano; YDP161
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,756
3000 Post Club Member
|
|
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,756 |
Based on your posts, you've been looking for a piano for at least three months. It won't take that long to go 15 miles to a piano dealer. If walking suits you, fine. If not, and you don't like public transport, then aren't taxicabs available? 30 miles in a taxi? Not a viable option for most people, perhaps. Shokz, why don't you fix your bike? I couldn't be without mine for a day. And you really would benefit from trying these keyboards out first, if only to confirm our opinions here - or to refute them.....
Roland HP 302 / Samson Graphite 49 / Akai EWI
Reaper / Native Instruments K9 ult / ESQL MOR2 Symph Orchestra & Choirs / Lucato & Parravicini , trumpets & saxes / Garritan CFX lite / Production Voices C7 & Steinway D compact
Focusrite Saffire 24 / W7, i7 4770, 16GB / MXL V67g / Yamaha HS7s / HD598
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552
3000 Post Club Member
|
|
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,552 |
If I were you, I'd get over my fear of public transportation and take a dang bus, or get a ride from a friend. When I lived in Chicago and had similar circumstances to what it sounds like you have, I did both of those in order to get to piano stores.
|
|
|
|
Forums43
Topics223,392
Posts3,349,293
Members111,634
| |
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
![[Linked Image]](https://pianoworld.com/ABF_Medals/3medals.jpg)