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#1713101 - 07/14/11 08:29 AM Rank in difficulty of Schubert's sonatas?  
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Hello there :), how would you rank all of Schubert's sonatas in terms of difficulty?

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#1713109 - 07/14/11 09:17 AM Re: Rank in difficulty of Schubert's sonatas? [Re: Gould]  
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I've only played one, the C minor...not easy at all.

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A minor D. 845 and A major D. 664 are the only ones within reach for most amateur pianists.

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Originally Posted by Vesivian
Hello there :), how would you rank all of Schubert's sonatas in terms of difficulty?


They are all very difficult, and it would be very hard to rank them in difficulty because it for the most part, difficulty is different from person to person.

They are all also very fantastic. laugh

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I've learned two A major Schubert sonatas.

About four years ago I tackled 959. It was a real stretch for me, but I finally succeeded in playing it at a reasonably correct tempo, and in a manner that seemed musical to me.

Then, about two years ago, I learned 664, which was a piece of cake in comparison.

I feel that 959 is a little overrated by those who write books and professionally opine about these things. The first movement, in particular, seems like warmed over Beethoven. It's interesting that when Schubert's last sonatas are assessed, the rationale is usually something like "at the end of his life, Schubert finally wrote some sonatas that were in a league with LVB's." My take is that in this sonata, he sort of lost himself to Beethoven, particularly in the first movement, and the sonata suffers for that reason. The inner movements, the andantino and the scherzo, are as fine as anything Schubert ever wrote, much better than the first movement, and very unlike Beethoven--in my opinion.

664 is a delight, and it's pure Schubert--my favorite composer--all the way.

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Originally Posted by tomasino
I feel that 959 is a little overrated by those who write books and professionally opine about these things. The first movement, in particular, seems like warmed over Beethoven. It's interesting that when Schubert's last sonatas are assessed, the rationale is usually something like "at the end of his life, Schubert finally wrote some sonatas that were in a league with LVB's." My take is that in this sonata, he sort of lost himself to Beethoven, particularly in the first movement, and the sonata suffers for that reason. The inner movements, the andantino and the scherzo, are as fine as anything Schubert ever wrote, much better than the first movement, and very unlike Beethoven--in my opinion.Tomasino

Interesting analysis. I'll have to think about it to see if I agree. smile

What do you think of the first movement's development section? That's always been very special to me, and feels like quintessential Schubert.

And the last movement, which you didn't mention explicitly, has for its main theme my very favorite Schubert melody (maybe my favorite melody ever?) which, all by itself, justifies the whole sonata for me.

My own personal jury is out only on the second movement's middle section. It's not that it's too radical and experimental for me. (After all, I do love Schoenberg and Webern.) It's that I'm not sure if the experiment works.

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#1713616 - 07/15/11 01:00 AM Re: Rank in difficulty of Schubert's sonatas? [Re: Orange Soda King]  
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Originally Posted by Vesivian
Hello there :), how would you rank all of Schubert's sonatas in terms of difficulty?

They are all very difficult, and it would be very hard to rank them in difficulty because it for the most part, difficulty is different from person to person.

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I would have a similar hard time (although maybe a little less so) ranking Mozart's sonatas. Beethoven and Haydn are sort of easier to do this on, aren't they....

#1713620 - 07/15/11 01:06 AM Re: Rank in difficulty of Schubert's sonatas? [Re: jeffreyjones]  
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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
A minor D. 845 and A major D. 664 are the only ones within reach for most amateur pianists.

The trouble with that (IMO) is that it might apply to much or most of those sonatas, but not their entirety. So, really it works only if people leave out the parts they can't play.

For example, the development section of 664's last movement is technically as hard as anything in any other Schubert sonata. * In fact, we might say that even about just the one measure of the rising F# major figure (the one with alternate double-notes). The section and even just that measure aren't within reach of most amateur pianists, unless they slow it down or play it not very well. And if we reduce the playing criterion to that, then all of Schubert's sonatas are also within their reach.

There's a similar thing about many Chopin pieces. People might say (and often do) that such-and-such piece is easy -- like, the D-flat major Nocturne. Trouble is, they're not counting "that one measure." ha

P.S. When I first learned that sonata, that development section was the first part I worked on. I wanted to make sure I'd be able to play it before spending much time on the rest of the piece. I wasn't at all sure that I could.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
A minor D. 845 and A major D. 664 are the only ones within reach for most amateur pianists.

The trouble with that (IMO) is that it might apply to much or most of those sonatas, but not their entirety. So, really it works only if people leave out the parts they can't play.

For example, the development section of 664's last movement is technically as hard as anything in any other Schubert sonata. * In fact, we might say that even about just the one measure of the rising F# major figure (the one with alternate double-notes). The section and even just that measure aren't within reach of most amateur pianists, unless they slow it down or play it not very well. And if we reduce the playing criterion to that, then all of Schubert's sonatas are also within their reach.

P.S. When I first learned that sonata, that development section was the first part I worked on. I wanted to make sure I'd be able to play it before spending much time on the rest of the piece. I wasn't at all sure that I could.


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And so is the leaping L.H. accompaniment of the last movement's 2nd theme!


I apologize for resurrecting an old thread, but since I am currently learning the D.664, I wanted to add a comment. The 1st movement of 664 is probably "early advanced" in difficulty, and the second movement can easily be played by an intermediate level student. The third movement, however, is another story - and reminds me of the third movement of the Wanderer Fantasy both in character and overall difficulty. Finally worked out the fingering this week, and now things are starting to fall into place. Such a beautiful piece !!!! smile

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#1819967 - 01/06/12 10:57 PM Re: Rank in difficulty of Schubert's sonatas? [Re: Carey]  
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Well, since you revived the thread and I am also working on 664...The first movement is not terribly difficult technically, but is really difficult to voice and presents quite a few problems with balance. Also the tempo is really crucial to maintain the really long melodic lines; too slow and it dies unless you are Richter. If you play it at a nice clip, those octaves in the development require a little work. The second movement is about voicing, voicing, voicing. An intermediate pianist might be able to play the notes in rhythm, but to really make it sing is another story. The third movement is a bugger, especially if you try to get it around 80. Those rising double notes are a real pain, and some of those alternating lh/rh arpeggios in the exposition and recap are just really awkward and require some very quick hand displacement. Some of the jumps are quite tricky at tempo, unless you slow them down. Altogether not so easy. The is an early two-movement Sonata in E minor D.566, which I think is a perfect introductory sonata, but it has a few technical problems as well.


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Dame Myra -

Actually I need to listen to the Richter recording of 664 again. Have it on an LP that I bought 50 years ago (the Wanderer Fantasy is on the flip side).

I do have a fingering question related to the first movement. How do you handle the RH in measure 34 through 37, and 113 through 116. My edition suggests that the first note of each 6 note figure be played with the 2nd finger (i.e., first figure = 2-1-3-5-3-1). For some reason I'm finding that this feels quite awkward and I keep missing the lower note. What fingering do you use?????

And yes, the octaves in the first movement development section are a bit of a pain as well. smile




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How does the D.784 compare to the D.664?

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Dame Myra -

Actually I need to listen to the Richter recording of 664 again. Have it on an LP that I bought 50 years ago (the Wanderer Fantasy is on the flip side).

I do have a fingering question related to the first movement. How do you handle the RH in measure 34 through 37, and 113 through 116. My edition suggests that the first note of each 6 note figure be played with the 2nd finger (i.e., first figure = 2-1-3-5-3-1). For some reason I'm finding that this feels quite awkward and I keep missing the lower note. What fingering do you use?????

And yes, the octaves in the first movement development section are a bit of a pain as well. smile



I use the 2. There really isn't any other fingering that works. (And as my teacher usually says in these situation, "Sorry.") And it does feel awkward, like much of Schubert. I just practiced it over and over, slowly. After awhile it just came and the whole shape of the phrase sort of fell in place. You aren't trying to connect the 2 and 1 are you? It is also one of those places where you have to look at the keyboard.

It really is a beautiful sonata, isn't it? My teacher, who has performed and taught most of them, agrees with me that overall it is probably the most "successful" of the sonatas.

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How does the D.784 compare to the D.664?


784 is quite a bit more difficult and if you take take the octave triplets at the end of the 3rd movement at the same tempo as the rest of the movement, it is impossibly more difficult.


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[quote=carey]Dame Myra -
You aren't trying to connect the 2 and 1 are you? It is also one of those places where you have to look at the keyboard.


No - I'm not. Guess I'll simply use 2 - practice slowly - and watch my hands !!!!! Thanks ! smile

And yes - this is a beautiful work. Just listened to Richter, Hess and Kempff. I prefer Richter's interpretation.

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[quote=carey]Dame Myra -
You aren't trying to connect the 2 and 1 are you? It is also one of those places where you have to look at the keyboard.


No - I'm not. Guess I'll simply use 2 - practice slowly - and watch my hands !!!!! Thanks ! smile

And yes - this is a beautiful work. Just listened to Richter, Hess and Kempff. I prefer Richter's interpretation.


Two other versions I like on youtube are Ingrid Haebler and Solomon.


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Originally Posted by DameMyra


Two other versions I like on youtube are Ingrid Haebler and Solomon.


Thanks for the tip !! Just listened to both Haebler and Solomon (3rd movement only) as well as a recording by Badura-Skoda. The overall sound quality of the Solomon recording is superb - and I like his interpretation almost as much as Richter's. They set the bar so high for us ..........


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Originally Posted by Avaritia
how would you rank all of Schubert's sonatas in terms of difficulty?


Easiest to most difficult, or vice versa, if you prefer.



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Originally Posted by DameMyra
Well, since you revived the thread and I am also working on 664...The first movement is not terribly difficult technically, but is really difficult to voice and presents quite a few problems with balance. Also the tempo is really crucial to maintain the really long melodic lines; too slow and it dies unless you are Richter. If you play it at a nice clip, those octaves in the development require a little work. The second movement is about voicing, voicing, voicing. An intermediate pianist might be able to play the notes in rhythm, but to really make it sing is another story. The third movement is a bugger, especially if you try to get it around 80. Those rising double notes are a real pain, and some of those alternating lh/rh arpeggios in the exposition and recap are just really awkward and require some very quick hand displacement. Some of the jumps are quite tricky at tempo, unless you slow them down. Altogether not so easy. The is an early two-movement Sonata in E minor D.566, which I think is a perfect introductory sonata, but it has a few technical problems as well.


smile I'm working on the D.664 as well! the second movement is especially beautiful...

I've never played any other Schubert sonatas though, so I couldn't really tell you which is more difficult. I guess it's on the easy side of his sonatas? "little" a-major, but still very lovely

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I'm going to be working on the A Major Sonata D.664 also when my piano lessons resume next week, so I've just started it. It's my first Schubert Sonata. My teacher also said that the second movement is very pretty and that I will love it. smile


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Playagain - Small world, isn't it???? Several folks here are working on or have played D. 664. And yes - you will love the second movement.

Emmov - It may be "little" - but the third movement is (to quote Dame Myra) a bugger !!!

Dame Myra - Tried your fingering for the 1st movement today and in a matter of minutes I had it down. Thanks for the advice !!! thumb


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It is funny that we're working on the same one! smile I had trouble with those measures (right hand), too, where the lower notes start with finger 2 (measure 34-37), but it's getting better, and also those octaves (which need a lot of work). smile


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I love D.664! I was planning to play either that or Beethoven's op.110, and the Beethoven won out. But still, D.664 is such an amazing sonata, I'll definitely take a look at it soon. I think Richter's tempi are perfect for it, the first movement sings and breathes so naturally!


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Since everyone seems to be working on the little Amajor, I will recommend for the rest of us (note I say the rest of us) a particularly fine recording of the sonata by none other than Alicia de Larrocha. If I'm not mistaken the original LP was paired with Carnaval. Brilliant playing.



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haha, yes! the third movement is indeed a bugger...so many jumps!!
smile the octaves in the first movement take some time to get down, too

and stores- thanks for the recommendation!
actually, I don't usually listen to recordings of the pieces I'm playing..

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Originally Posted by stores
Since everyone seems to be working on the little Amajor, I will recommend for the rest of us (note I say the rest of us) a particularly fine recording of the sonata by none other than Alicia de Larrocha. If I'm not mistaken the original LP was paired with Carnaval. Brilliant playing.


I'd really love to hear it. Unfortunately I believe that particular recording is over 30 years old. Might be hard to find.


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Originally Posted by emmov
haha, yes! the third movement is indeed a bugger...so many jumps!!
smile the octaves in the first movement take some time to get down, too

and stores- thanks for the recommendation!
actually, I don't usually listen to recordings of the pieces I'm playing..


Did you not read my post? I said FOR THE REST OF US. That means you CANNOT (nor should you) listen. Don't give in to the temptation. Be original. Think for yourself!



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Since everyone seems to be working on the little Amajor, I will recommend for the rest of us (note I say the rest of us) a particularly fine recording of the sonata by none other than Alicia de Larrocha. If I'm not mistaken the original LP was paired with Carnaval. Brilliant playing.


I'd really love to hear it. Unfortunately I believe that particular recording is over 30 years old. Might be hard to find.


It is difficult to find. The sonata, to my knowledge, has never been reissued in any form, which is truly a loss. Carnaval, on the other hand has been a few times. HERE is a link to the album (which I would love to have...yes, that's a post-Christmas gift hint for any of you that would love to make me happy).



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Easiest to most difficult, or vice versa, if you prefer.


hahaha you're so clever!

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Originally Posted by emmov
haha, yes! the third movement is indeed a bugger...so many jumps!!
smile the octaves in the first movement take some time to get down, too

and stores- thanks for the recommendation!
actually, I don't usually listen to recordings of the pieces I'm playing..


Did you not read my post? I said FOR THE REST OF US. That means you CANNOT (nor should you) listen. Don't give in to the temptation. Be original. Think for yourself!


oh dear, I didn't listen to it before..but now I want to go listen > <
ahh! I won't! ...possibly
but no worries, for me, it is nearly at a performance state and I have my own feeling of it (I said so modestly) wink


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