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#1819634 - 01/06/12 11:18 AM Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing  
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Hello,

I'm a french amateur piano player. I love Keith Jarrett music and I'm transcribing now some parts of Rio concert.

Do you know some other transcriptions (I know http://www.dark-intervals.com/) ?

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#1820110 - 01/07/12 05:04 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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I have a copy of his 'Shenandoah' which I like.

rada

#1820113 - 01/07/12 05:28 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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Me too wink And all Melody At Night With You.

#1821481 - 01/09/12 11:52 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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I bought the sheet music book of the Koln concert in the deluded hope that I could learn to play part 1. Oh well, it looks impressive left open on my music desk. whome


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#1821493 - 01/09/12 12:15 PM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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thank you for supporting Keith, Monica.. that music really is pretty challenging.. partifularly difficult to read.

if you have a good aural memory that would help immmensely because in reality, technically, his music is not that difficult.. at least the first part of the Koln concert.


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#1822080 - 01/10/12 09:54 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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I think you're right, apple*. The music didn't SOUND all that hard on that first part, which is why I even dared buy the book. But the transcription itself is a horror show... thirteentuplets etc. abound. I can tell that whoever did the transcription was working hard to make it exactly faithful to how it was played. But you could probably get pretty danged close by just using the music as a guide as to the notes to be played and then just mimic the rhythm and timing by ear. One of these days...


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#1822435 - 01/10/12 11:32 PM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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Did they transcribe his singing, too? Maybe that's why it is so complicated? I don't think it's transcribable. None of that stuff was ever written out - just take it off the record by ear. thumb

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#1822463 - 01/11/12 12:52 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Monica K.]  
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Originally Posted by Monica K.
. The music didn't SOUND all that hard on that first part, which is why I even dared buy the book. But the transcription itself is a horror show... thirteentuplets etc. abound. I can tell that whoever did the transcription was working hard to make it exactly faithful to how it was played. But you could probably get pretty danged close by just using the music as a guide as to the notes to be played and then just mimic the rhythm and timing by ear.


With these kind of transcriptions I would let your ear be the guide as you mentioned. In fact I don't know many jazz pianists who would actually learn one of these type transcriptions note for note as a learning tool .

I've worked on sections of Fats Waller and other stride type pianists transcriptions just to get more of that particular vocabulary but never worked on it like I would learning a Classical piece of music.

What they are good for is to check out the voicings and lh accompaniment Keith uses. I would analyze his voicings in the places that caught my ear and then transpose those little sections to all twelve keys.

I think having a broader knowledge of jazz harmony and being able to feel how the music rhythmically flows and then doing you're own thing on that particular piece or perhaps even an orginal composition or improvisation based on it, would be much more beneficial from a musical standpoint...fwiw of course. smile cool


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#1822587 - 01/11/12 06:48 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

In fact I don't know many jazz pianists who would actually learn one of these type transcriptions note for note as a learning tool .


I guess the reason is that you can't learn to improvise by playing other peoples improvisations. Not that there is anything wrong with playing Koln as piece of 'classical' music but the whole meaning of the music is changed as soon as it is reproduced like this. It ceases to be an improvisation and becomes a recreation of an improvisation. Jarrett says exactly this this …."If someone transcribed the solo concert (in Vermont) onto sheet music, and another pianist played that music, there would be no conceivable way in the world that that person could play it and mean what that music meant."

As far as difficulty goes even the first part is VERY difficult. I have never heard anybody play it and sound even remotely like Jarrett.
Just check out the runs at around 5.35.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHx1XJsVPHE

To play it like that you have to have the technique of a concert pianist. Other parts may not be conceptually hard but to play them with the groove that Jarrett does is almost impossible. It can be good fun to try though.


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#1822683 - 01/11/12 10:55 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: Thierry44200]  
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There are quite a few transcriptions of Jarrett that are shown and scroll by on Youtube along with the audio track.

#1822712 - 01/11/12 11:29 AM Re: Keith Jarrett Parts Transcribing [Re: beeboss]  
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Originally Posted by beeboss
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

In fact I don't know many jazz pianists who would actually learn one of these type transcriptions note for note as a learning tool .


I guess the reason is that you can't learn to improvise by playing other peoples improvisations. Not that there is anything wrong with playing Koln as piece of 'classical' music but the whole meaning of the music is changed as soon as it is reproduced like this. It ceases to be an improvisation and becomes a recreation of an improvisation.


Better put then what I was trying to say...... smile



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