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#1795859 11/25/11 04:32 PM
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I'm at the Yamaha dealer and was just quoted $4500 for the 480 and $5899 for the 509 (demo unit). Both these prices include delivery and taxes. Both sound pretty good. Which do you all think it's the better deal?

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Those are the dealer's asking prices.
What offer price are you prepared to make?

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Unless you really want the bells and whistles go for the 480. I think the 480 would be a very nice piano but is it definitely a Yamaha you want?

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I believe the CLP-400 series feature superior technology ('RGE') to the CVP-500 series.

The arranger/accompaniment functions can be fun to play with, however if you wish to focus on the piano sound, I would recommend sticking with the CLP-480.

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mrcultureshock: Are you considering both of these pianos? Or just offering up some examples?

These are two very different pianos. The CVP-series models are emsemble pianos. You pay heavily for the drum and rhythm accompaniments. The CLP-series models don't have that, and so they sell for less.

If you're actually considering both, then first decide which kind of piano you want. That would eliminate the other kind from further consideration.

You mentioned that "Both (prices) sound pretty good. Which do you all think it's the better deal?"

Well ... neither one. Those are the dealer's asking prices. I'd want to pay less. Much less.

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Remember the CVP-509 is just a (4 year old) Tyros 3 in a nice cabinet (without some features like the hard drive).

The CVP 600 series is overdue (the Tyros 4 was released some time ago) and will be released soon.

Those prices are nothing special at all BTW I'd be looking to do 15-20% better then that.


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I spent about 3 hours at the Yamaha dealer today just playing the 480 and 509. The 509 is feature-packed but I'll be paying for features that I'll probably use very little.

The 480 does sound better than the 509 and the speakers sound really good to my noob amateur ears. The GH3 is heavier than the Roland and Kawai actions, but I got used to it right away. All in all, I enjoyed playing the 480 a lot.

As for price quoted by the dealer, I think I can push it under $4K. I'll definitely go back and play the 480 some more before I make my decision.



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Although not an answer to your question, I would recommend that you spend some serious time with the Roland HP307 and the Kawai CA93, both in this price range.

In terms of the electrical engineering, the Roland Supernatural piano engine displays a more "natural" acoustic signature and the Kawai appears to have more sampling, less stretching, and subjectively better blending among velocity groups. You may wish to also consider that, based on acoustic analysis of the RGE model CLP-440 and the much less expensive P-155, there is very little difference in tone generation by at least some RGE models and other non-RGE models. These analyses must be reconciled with your own subjective experience, of course, and there is nothing at all inherently wrong with concluding that the Yamaha delivers you a better experience.

In my opinion, the Kawai may deliver a better experience over the long haul, particularly and importantly from its RM3 action. People have arranged deals for the CA93 for as little as $3700.

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I think if you like the 400 series, for piano playing purposes, go check out an Avant Grand N1.

I have a CVP 509 and really like it. I like all the bells and whistles and also like how the piano sounds and the keys feel.

CVP was just refreshed 1.5 years ago and they seem to come out every 3 years so it will be a while before the 600 series comes out.

Good luck with your search.


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