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#1793259 - 11/21/11 11:54 AM Anyone here with TINNITUS?  
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Hi everybody.
I've always had a quiet mid-freq humming in my ear when it was silent. But 2 days ago, in the evening, a high-pitched sound (approx. 13-14.000Hz according to my sound generation app) came to my head. Yesterday it was present all day. I hadn't been exposed to any loud sounds etc., so I went to see an ENT, and after some tests the doctor decided to give me Tebokan - some ginkgo biloba pills, and I shall come again in 4 weeks if it won't be 100% fine. I was slightly sceptical (after all it's just vitamin pills, available without prescription) but then I found they seem to help often according to various web sources.
But he told me not to expect a noticeable improvement no sooner than in 14 days. It is no problem for me to do daily things, but my ears are very sensitive now, so playing piano is very unpleasant. And you all know how depressing it is to stop practising and see skills you've worked for fade away smile
I was just wondering how many people here suffer from tinnitus. What do you do to ease it so you can play the piano? Has anyone managed to cure it completely? I just really hope I will manage to do it and that it is just a temporary issue, I just feel so ... wronged laugh (17 years old who hates noise gets tinnitus, sees ENT straight away and can't cure it? come on ... )
Thanks for your comments.


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#1793274 - 11/21/11 12:16 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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Yes, started about 18 months ago and has been with me every day since. Some days are better than others. In the beginning it was very bothersome. Now, I just live with it and it is not so much front and center. I mostly practice with my piano closed and it is fine. If I play with the piano open for a long period of time it will increase the intensity of the ringing for a period of time. Lack of sleep seems to make it worse as well.

I find it does interfere with the harmonies of my piano to a degree. Much more so in the beginning.

Unfortunately, there is no cure at this time. Let us know if the Tebokan helps. I have tried a few things like B-12 and melatonin, but did not find them to help.









#1793276 - 11/21/11 12:18 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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you are 17? is that right? if you are then you will most likely have a self limited case and you will be "cured" in the next few weeks to months (at the longest). just be sure to follow up with your dr to make sure there is nothing else that needs to be done. I see people all the time with this and 99% of the time it goes away on its own. don't worry about it, but do follow up with your dr!
if you have a digital piano, try turning down the volume. hope you feel better soon!

#1793282 - 11/21/11 12:24 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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I've had Tinnitus from loud rock music since I was a teenager. Permanent. No cure. I've learned to ignore it. Nothing I can do. Hasn't gotten worse though.


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#1793296 - 11/21/11 12:40 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: djheinen]  
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djheinen: Yes, I am 17. Thanks for cheering me up smile When I turn the volume down, then the ringing overpowers it, but I will do my best and practise even a little every day till it's cured.

jazzwee: Sorry to hear that. But at least it doesn't get worse, I've read many articles about it going drill-loud over time etc. (the exact stories you want to hear in situation like this laugh )


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#1793299 - 11/21/11 12:42 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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i got PAXILitis so yea.


music to me is kind of like putting together pieces of a puzzle
i call it the paino because its where i put all my pain
#1793301 - 11/21/11 12:45 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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It's when I read threads like this that I become conscious of it smile Otherwise, I only notice it when it gets extra loud (like upon exposure to loud noise). But after it settles down, you forget about it.

I think my hearing of some frequencies were reduced in one ear so I have a preference for using a phone on my better ear. But overall, this has been a constant and not deteriorated with heavy piano playing.

I even bought these sound software programs that you listen to for hours so your brain masks the sound. I think trying to cure it made me more conscious of it. I haven't thought much of it for awhile until I see the word Tinnitus...

So young people: WATCH YOUR VOLUME! This stuff is irreversible!


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Originally Posted by jazzwee
I've had Tinnitus from loud rock music since I was a teenager. Permanent. No cure. I've learned to ignore it. Nothing I can do. Hasn't gotten worse though.


Ditto, although I think mine was from loud music and loud machinery (worked on commercial fishing boats, lobster boats, tug boats when I was younger).

I can ignore the ringing unless I'm in a completely silent room, then it drives me nuts (short ride for me).



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#1793330 - 11/21/11 01:38 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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I have definately noticed with mine ( that appeared a couple of years ago) without any doubt whatsoever, that certain foods eaten today will make it happen tommorrow.. I have done some experimental eating to check this out thoroughly, and these are the results...

Chilli peppers or foods containing them ( which I love) will make it happen bad the next day. So will chocolate, and for some bizzarre reason so will pringles barbecue flavoured.
Some folk also have it worsened by caffeine.

A good thing to do is make a diary and mark the days down that it is at its worst and note what you have eaten and drank just before these incidents, say in the preceeding 24 hrs..

Then look and see if there is a pattern, with me there was definately so.

At all other times, you must not focus on it, its not like a pain like toothache that you cannot learn to ignore...

dont be in total silence situations, if that can be avoided.




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#1793341 - 11/21/11 01:50 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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Rostosky: thx, I will try this out, caffeine make it slightly worse in me too, so my espresso machine is crying from loneliness along with the upright piano. Also foods containing a lot of sugar are quite bad(they cause me headaches normally, made me a healthy-diet fan over the years smile )
I would never guess that THIS would be my favourite music someday smile


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#1793347 - 11/21/11 01:59 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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This is much more informative.....( than just white/pink noise)

Tinnitus tamer download sounds cool for identifying exact frequency...

check this dudes tutorial




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#1793348 - 11/21/11 02:00 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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gotta be careful with those headphones. especially when your judgement is hindered by psychiatric medication thats supposed to make your life better grin


music to me is kind of like putting together pieces of a puzzle
i call it the paino because its where i put all my pain
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For 20 years I've loud ringing in my ears. It bothers me most when speaking to others. Their vowels get distorted. In a busy room I've to concentrate to what they say and read their lips, so that I can reconstruct their saying. It often takes a bit time to fully understand them, makes me look kinda stupid.



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#1793353 - 11/21/11 02:06 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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Here is a food do and dont for tinnitus , however, i would ignore the cheese bit that she keeps promoting, as most cheeses are totally full of salt..




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#1793380 - 11/21/11 03:09 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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I've had it since I was a teenager (one rock concert . . .), and it has gotten worse, and I notice it all day, but I have learned to live with it. I went to a specialist doctor, but haven't done therapy.

I haven't noticed any foods or pretty much anything at all that makes any major difference. I have noticed that when I'm particularly bothered by it, it has usually to do with some kind of anxiety. Generally, if I deal with the anxiety, then even though the sound is still there, I can sleep/work etc.

Some things that helped me deal with it include the fact that lots of highly functional people have it or have had it (Beethoven . . . ). Another thing that helps me is to think of it as analogous to the subtle visual 'snow' or 'white noise' you see when you close your eyes, and, when you look, also when they're open.

The very high pitches were the first for me -- near or above 20khz. Then came more mid-range tones which were not solid tones -- a bit like hearing beeping construction equipment in the distance (in fact, I thought for a while that there was actually construction going on in my neighborhood at night, but, distressingly, it turned out to be my tinnitus).

The latest -- and, marginally, worst -- began just a few months ago and it responds to (actual) sounds I hear. That is, it gets louder when there is something making sound. It's almost like an echo, but it is a single tone. As I hear sounds it kinda goes rrrrRRRRrrrrRRRRRRRRRrrrrrr. Only in my right ear . . .

I don't think the last tone came in response to loud sounds. It seemed to come out of nowhere, and began with a few very loud PBOOOOoooooooooo sounds that each lasted ten or twenty seconds, spread over about two days.

That's a lot of detail, but it's the story of what I've experienced.

I've learned to be thankful for any hearing at all . . . Needless to say, I avoid loud noises.

Lastly, it might sound odd, but I wear earplugs not only at night, but (when not at work) during a lot of the day. I found that some of my discomfort was not at the tinnitus, but just noise in general. Plus, I've found that to whatever extent I learn to live with tinnitus with earplugs in, then I notice it less when they're out.


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#1793382 - 11/21/11 03:16 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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One more thing. Especially if the frequency is mid-range, I would check to see if the frequency is the same as some constant noise you are exposed to. In the case of my mid-range tones, I've gotten some insight from comparing them to the frequency generated by my computer's fan. I think one of them, at least, might be caused by it. It seems too much of a coincidence that the fan is at the same frequency.

This makes sense, again, on a visual analogy. If you look at a normal light -- even one that is not super bright -- for a minute and close your eyes, you will see an after-image. If you were to stare at the light all day, no doubt the after-image would be more persistent.

I've never heard this theory from a doctor or other source (it's original to me); take it for what it's worth.



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I don't know if anyone has noticed but my tinnitus is in one ear mostly it seems.

I wonder if you hear multiple frequencies if it's coming from both ears.

I had this software that did the opposite of Rostosky's video. This software allowed you to mask the offending frequencies with some pleasurable or neutral sound (like Airplane noise, rain, waves). The idea was to numb the sensors by overloading it with data in this frequency range.

Seemed to be helpful for short periods. It certainly made you forget about the sound.

It was the Tinnitus masking software that made me realize that most of the effects are in one ear since putting in one earphone seems to do the job.


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Originally Posted by jazzwee
I wonder if you hear multiple frequencies if it's coming from both ears.

No, only the frequency varies during the day (it is higher in the evening).
I hardly think that my tinnitus comes from an exposure to noise (actually I complain about things being noisy all the time when nobody around does. Sensitive ears I guess). But I have ordered -20dB earplugs already, they won't hurt, at least till it's cured (and cure it will! laugh )


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#1793420 - 11/21/11 03:54 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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Originally Posted by Hrochan
Originally Posted by jazzwee
I wonder if you hear multiple frequencies if it's coming from both ears.

No, only the frequency varies during the day (it is higher in the evening).
I hardly think that my tinnitus comes from an exposure to noise (actually I complain about things being noisy all the time when nobody around does. Sensitive ears I guess). But I have ordered -20dB earplugs already, they won't hurt, at least till it's cured (and cure it will! laugh )


It doesn't sound like yours is the permanent damage some of us have. Since I also have temporary bouts of increased Tinnitus, then obviously there are other non-permanent causes.

If you haven't suffered from loud noise then you're probably in good shape.


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#1793422 - 11/21/11 03:56 PM Re: Anyone here with TINNITUS? [Re: Hrochan]  
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My tinnitus is more noticeable in my right ear. I'm not certain, but it seems to have gotten worse since my piano love affair began. I now use earplugs everytime I play. I have also found that my other hobby (billiards) is too loud for my sensitive ears. I don't play billiards as often, but I try to wear earplugs when I do.


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I had to do some fairly aggressive acoustic treatment for my music room, but that worked pretty well and the piano doesn't make the tinnitus worse. There are lots of loud noises that do worsen it, though. Traffic, especially when driving with the windows open, or when riding my bike. Common foam earplugs from the drugstore help a lot for that stuff, as long as I remember to have them in the car and daypack.

Our local piano concert series seriously aggravated it. Big Steinway D in a small hall. I don't go anymore.

It's possible to prevent hearing loss caused by environmental noise, but once it's gone there's no getting it back. If you're just beginning to have a problem, it's a good time to take some special care.


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It looks like the topic name should be ''Anyone here without tinnitus?''
I do not personally know any tinnitus sufferer, and everybody gave me strange looks when I told them my ears are ringing all by themselves, but it seems pretty common. I wish everyone good luck and strong nerves smile


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I use these. They work pretty well. I also take them to movies these days, as it seems the movie houses are louder than ever. If I am going to play with my piano open for extended periods, I will put them as well. They come with a compact carrying case, which is nice.
Has anyone tried the more expensive ones?

PS,
Mine seems to come from the left ear. There is hearing loss in that ear as well. An easy test is to rub your fingers together close to your ear, one at a time.

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Originally Posted by charleslang
I've had it since I was a teenager (one rock concert . . .), and it has gotten worse, and I notice it all day, but I have learned to live with it. I went to a specialist doctor, but haven't done therapy.

I haven't noticed any foods or pretty much anything at all that makes any major difference. I have noticed that when I'm particularly bothered by it, it has usually to do with some kind of anxiety. Generally, if I deal with the anxiety, then even though the sound is still there, I can sleep/work etc.

Some things that helped me deal with it include the fact that lots of highly functional people have it or have had it (Beethoven . . . ). Another thing that helps me is to think of it as analogous to the subtle visual 'snow' or 'white noise' you see when you close your eyes, and, when you look, also when they're open.

The very high pitches were the first for me -- near or above 20khz. Then came more mid-range tones which were not solid tones -- a bit like hearing beeping construction equipment in the distance (in fact, I thought for a while that there was actually construction going on in my neighborhood at night, but, distressingly, it turned out to be my tinnitus).

The latest -- and, marginally, worst -- began just a few months ago and it responds to (actual) sounds I hear. That is, it gets louder when there is something making sound. It's almost like an echo, but it is a single tone. As I hear sounds it kinda goes rrrrRRRRrrrrRRRRRRRRRrrrrrr. Only in my right ear . . .

I don't think the last tone came in response to loud sounds. It seemed to come out of nowhere, and began with a few very loud PBOOOOoooooooooo sounds that each lasted ten or twenty seconds, spread over about two days.

That's a lot of detail, but it's the story of what I've experienced.

I've learned to be thankful for any hearing at all . . . Needless to say, I avoid loud noises.

Lastly, it might sound odd, but I wear earplugs not only at night, but (when not at work) during a lot of the day. I found that some of my discomfort was not at the tinnitus, but just noise in general. Plus, I've found that to whatever extent I learn to live with tinnitus with earplugs in, then I notice it less when they're out.
Interesting that you mentioned visual snow...I was having a lot of trouble with tinnitus a year or so ago sometimes so loud it woke me up. It eventually calmed by itself but did not go away. I think I've had at least a little most of my life. Anyway, a few months after the tinnitus improved my visual snow, which I've always had a little of but not bothersome, became more obvious and at this point is absolutely aggravating. Its like I've traded one for the other. Just when I was getting decent at reading sheet music I found myself avoiding it because its hard to look at. Everything on the page looks like its vibrating. I can't tell which line or space the note is on for sure without taking a long close look at it.I've read that both conditions can be part of a migraine if you get the ones with auras.


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Originally Posted by jazzwee
I don't know if anyone has noticed but my tinnitus is in one ear mostly it seems.


Jazzwee, how are we meant to have noticed that without being inside your head? lol.

Its interesting that migraine has just been brought up, I certainly suffer terrible migraines, i wonder if anyone else does who has tinnitus? Certainly certain foods do not help migraine sufferers.
Also I can avoid migraines by not allowing myself to get dehydrated, but if I fail at that and a migraine starts, thats it, blurred vision, pukesville and go to the dark room and demand totall silence and pray for sleep to come..




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Originally Posted by Rostosky
Originally Posted by jazzwee
I don't know if anyone has noticed but my tinnitus is in one ear mostly it seems.


Jazzwee, how are we meant to have noticed that without being inside your head? lol.

Its interesting that migraine has just been brought up, I certainly suffer terrible migraines, i wonder if anyone else does who has tinnitus? Certainly certain foods do not help migraine sufferers.
Also I can avoid migraines by not allowing myself to get dehydrated, but if I fail at that and a migraine starts, thats it, blurred vision, pukesville and go to the dark room and demand totall silence and pray for sleep to come..


Actually, I hear it louder one ONE side of my head smile

But I wasn't certain. So when I put the masking sound on one ear, it lessened it's effect.

Maybe you have a different type than mine since mine is related to permanent hearing loss and from what I gather, the sensors in my eardrum are locked in the "on" position.

But until I did this little test, I actually did think it's just one global sound in my head.





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I do not have migraines as such - I get headaches often, but anti-migraine pills do not work.
My doctor told me the headaches might be caused by problems with cervical vertebrae. And from what I've read, so might be tinnitus! I am definitely going to try some exercises, can't hurt ;-)
I wouldn't wonder really. Since I was little, my hobbies always have involved devastating my neck/back (piano, computer, model building, reading)


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I've had Tinnitus for around 12 years, at first it worried me, but I eventually got to accept it. Thankfully mine isn't permanent, it usually comes on if I'm tired, it's there when I awake but goes away when I get moving, shower, etc.. My Dr said it is just age related, no cure. As said in an earlier reply, it's usually more noticeable after I see anything written about it, like now.

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Yes. I've had it for about two years now. I attribute it to 25 years or so of working in rock bands. It's pretty constant. I haven't worked out the frequency but for anyone old enough to remember the sound you used to hear when you stood behind an old TV,it's just like that.


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Originally Posted by CaptainKawai
Yes. I've had it for about two years now. I attribute it to 25 years or so of working in rock bands. It's pretty constant. I haven't worked out the frequency but for anyone old enough to remember the sound you used to hear when you stood behind an old TV,it's just like that.


Good description (for those of us old enough to remember).
I've had mine for at least 10 years, probably longer. It's more pronounced when I'm tired.
I had to learn to ignore it when I tune pianos, otherwise I might think it was an upper partial of the notes :-)


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