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#1774058 - 10/20/11 10:55 AM Ideas needed for new name for recital site  
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Hi loyal AB forum members,

As you may remember, LaValse is hosting the recital files on his website. He PM'ed me this morning saying that we now have 11 GB of stored files there! Which is good news, because it means the recitals have been successful beyond our wildest dreams.

The bad news is that in order to plan for the future, we need to move the recital files to another hosting site (LaValse's business site is limited to 70 GB). LaValse has looked into the issue and suggested that we purchase our own domain name, and we can host it at a place he knows about with UNLIMITED storage, WOOT!!

So... we need to come up with what to call our very own AB forum recital website domain. smile

I suppose "ABForumRecital.com" is a likely candidate, but I could also see "RedDotJitters.com" too. laugh Any other ideas?

p.s. .com domain names are a lot cheaper than .org sites, so we should stick with that.

p.p.s. These changes will take place AFTER the next recital, so there will be plenty of time to make the necessary changes to the recital software etc.



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#1774068 - 10/20/11 11:10 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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I really like RedDotJitters.com

I suppose OrderOfTheRedDot.com could be a contender as well.... but practically speaking I think the most reasonable would probably be something that has ABF+Recital.

ABForumRecital.com, as you suggested.
ABFRecital.com

ABFJitterBugs.com
ABFJitters.com

or what about

ABFRedDots.com
ABFRedDotters.com

The domain won't cost too much- what about the hosting fees? Do we need to take up a collection?
Is LaValse going to manage the site for us or do we need another volunteer?

I'd be willing to chip in and help if I can be of assistance. I have some experience in setting up simple websites.






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#1774070 - 10/20/11 11:14 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Just to clarify, I have a Heart Internet reseller account (privately - for my projects - http://sailwave.com, http://vaxfax.me etc) so I can create and host websites.

I'm happy to host an ABF website for free - as Monica said - unlimited space and just as important, unlimited bandwidth.

So all we need is a domain name to point at the hosting, which is chirpy cheep.

It's exactly the same hosting as http://sailwave.com itself. Heart are great I recommend them.

smile

#1774071 - 10/20/11 11:14 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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#1774073 - 10/20/11 11:15 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Go here to check if your domain name ideas are available:-

http://heartinternet.co.uk

Type your domain idea into field top right (no spaces allowed in domain names)...

I doubt there'll be a problem though... smile

#1774075 - 10/20/11 11:17 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Oh, Knights of the red dot.com is like Kord.




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#1774079 - 10/20/11 11:21 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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The URL for the hosting site is:

http://www.heartinternet.co.uk

You can check there to see if any name is open. LaValse already checked for abforumrecital.com and it's available.

The fee is only six pounds per year. (I am too lazy to find out where the pound symbol is on this American keyboard...) LaValse has generously volunteered to cover the expense; he may add a click through link to amazon on the site as a way of partially covering his expenses. I also asked him if it would be possible for others of us to donate toward the expense and the hassle of managing the site; I know I would like to, at least. He said he could accept donations via paypay, colin@sailwave.com.

I don't think there's much that needs to be done in redesigning the software to change the hosting site; it's just a matter of changing the URL in the instructions and then actually moving the archives over.

LaValse says there is no additional expense for hosting the site (something about how he already has an account that allows for other websites), so the six pounds a year is the only recurring expense for setting up the recital with unlimited storage in its own site.

[oops. I took so long typing all that stuff that LaValse snuck in ahead of me and explained it all much more clearly! sorry for the redundancy.]

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#1774085 - 10/20/11 11:28 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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One decision is do you want to make all the previous recitals available on the site. Currently it's only used to submit entries and present the latest recital in the player.

The issue here is (possibly) taking traffic away from Frank and his revenue from advertising.

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pianoperformance.org? Something generic could promote traffic to PW and ABF?


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#1774088 - 10/20/11 11:33 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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That's a good point. If all the recitals were available and there was prominent links back to PW/ABF it would increase traffic/members to PW/ABF and I would guess easily outweigh the loss of traffic due to ppl listening on the site rather than finding the old recitals on PW.

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#1774101 - 10/20/11 11:49 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Maybe we should specifically talk to Frank ?

I rather like Knights of the Red Dot (kord) lol....

I think it would be great to have all the previous recitals show on the new site and probably having them link back here would be doing the right thing by Frank in terms of hits.
(there would probably end up being extra ones because people would be curious about the old recitals. )

I don't know exactly how the advertising works - if you get "credit" when someone just opens the page or does someone actually have to "click" on the ad???


We'd also want alink to Sam's Database, wouldn't we?

I don't use pay pal but paying for something through Amazon works for me.

This is so exciting!


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How about a vote, like cindysphinx but without a job at the end of it? everyone could put up a nomination, and at a set cut off time a vote could happen.

It was your order of the red dot Cas that made me think of "Knights of the red dot .com" (Kord)





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Rossy, I can take no credit for the Order of the Red Dot, that is a noble association I am proud to be a part of, but I didn't create it.

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#1774125 - 10/20/11 12:48 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Sorry Cas. I credited you falsely, by accident. Unintentionally one may say. without due cause, another will chime in.




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Originally Posted by Rostosky
Sorry Cas. I credited you falsely, by accident. Unintentionally one may say. without due cause, another will chime in.

um, it's not a crime.

Who has another name suggestion?



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#1774145 - 10/20/11 01:19 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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I don't have a name suggestion, but I'm happy to help LaValse with the admin side, if need. I've built/maintained a few sites and also done a fair bit of perl/php+MySQL coding.


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#1774146 - 10/20/11 01:21 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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lol smile

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#1774157 - 10/20/11 01:42 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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I'm in favor of anything easily remembered; if we don't care about transparency (ie seeing the name tells you what it is) I like the red dot variations; if we want people to know what it is from the domain, I like having "PW" in it if Frank's cool with that, and "ABF", along the lines of pw_abf_recitals.com.

I also like the idea of linking back to this forum from it... maybe that's already done, though - I've only visited it a couple times and can't remember.


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Although some of the other suggestions are certainly more fun and creative, I like Bessel's suggestion, because it is unambiguous and straightforward. (And also because it has both PW and ABF in it.)

If I understand correctly, this is to replace the abf.make247.co.uk site? My question is, if all the old recital files are moved to the new one, won't that mess up all the links in the original recital threads? Also, will Sam have to change the index he is maintaining?

BTW, thanks so much LaValse, for taking care of all this for us!


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Originally Posted by MaryBee


If I understand correctly, this is to replace the abf.make247.co.uk site? My question is, if all the old recital files are moved to the new one, won't that mess up all the links in the original recital threads? Also, will Sam have to change the index he is maintaining?

BTW, thanks so much LaValse, for taking care of all this for us!


If the links to the recordings change, then the ABF recital index links will not work anymore. Not only that, but the links in all the old recital posts in the ABF forum won't work anymore either. So if you looked up the old recitals at PW then you couldn't listen to any of the recordings.

But I'm guessing LaValse will take all this into consideration and use a redirect or something so the new site doesn't break all the old links.

Of course, if he builds a neat new site with all the recitals archived and indexed and searchable then my ABF recital index can fade away into internet history - and I'll have more time to practice!

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If the site name ended in "red" then you would get the dot for free as there is already a dot in .com, for example abfred.com .

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Is this the same as "October Piano Bar", the recital you are talking about moving?

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No... the piano bars are monthly free-for-alls where people upload recordings to wherever and then post links in the piano bar threads. The recitals occur only quarterly, and they're more "official" or organized in the sense of the recordings being uploaded in a common format and placed into zip files, along with a streaming player, that makes it easier to listen to them all together.

Hope that makes sense. The easiest way to see the difference is to check out some of our past recitals; look for the link that's in the "Important Topics for AB Forum" thread stickied at the top of the AB forum page.


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short and simple

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I like the ones that refer to Piano World and ABF.

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Thnx Cathy, I got one vote at least smile

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I vote that LaValse, who is doing all the work, take our input (perhaps weighted by our past submissions, which happens to be zero in my case) into consideration and then do whatever he wants. smile


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Originally Posted by wayne32yrs
Pianoworldsadultbeginnerforumquarterlyrecitals.com

lol smile


ah ha ha ha! That's great!


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I love all the creative, witty ideas but I agree with Bessel. I think something
simple and self explanitory would be good.



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Originally Posted by Kymber
I love all the creative, witty ideas but I agree with Bessel. I think something simple and self explanitory would be good.
You could have the simple and self-explanatory name as the main one, with a red-dotty subtitle on the main page. Best of both worlds. (I'm not part of this, but couldn't resist throwing that in) smile


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I say we just name it after me and be done with it! Sorta like the University of Phoenix Stadium, located in Glendale AZ of course!

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The University of Super-Hunky Stadium and Beginner Recital Palace - yes, it has a certain cache.

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Originally Posted by jotur
The University of Super-Hunky Stadium and Beginner Recital Palace - yes, it has a certain cache.

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Originally Posted by currawong
Originally Posted by Kymber
I love all the creative, witty ideas but I agree with Bessel. I think something simple and self explanitory would be good.
You could have the simple and self-explanatory name as the main one, with a red-dotty subtitle on the main page. Best of both worlds. (I'm not part of this, but couldn't resist throwing that in) smile


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Btw... I have yet to play/post a recital peice. But now I think I obligated myself to do so by responding the this topic. Eeeek!


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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
I say we just name it after me and be done with it! Sorta like the University of Phoenix Stadium, located in Glendale AZ of course!

The super hunky red dot abf experience!


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Simple: MyRecital.com

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I agree with Crescendo, short and simple

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#1774604 - 10/21/11 10:27 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Short and simple and not overly cute. Cute gets tiresome after a while. Red dot syndrome and referral to PW can be handled with sub-heads and links.

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#1774685 - 10/21/11 01:10 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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ABFrecitals.com just makes too much sense. It's short, simple and describes exactly what it is. My vote would go for that title.

#1774701 - 10/21/11 01:55 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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New to posting (i just got my piano yesterday, so major newb here) but wanted to chime in. I like mypianorecital.com which is available. Im a web designer too and I like the idea of something simple but not branded only to the forum that can pull in traffic from elsewhere, piano recital in the url will provide much SEO goodness for google. smile

Also this sounds like fun and my company (my husband and I lol) could draw a custom logo/header for the site after you decide, I'd love to make that free contribution. The sites we design are very art heavy since that's what we specialize in, one example is crazyrumors.com smile


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#1774712 - 10/21/11 02:26 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: MissyDee]  
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Originally Posted by sukiyue
New to posting (i just got my piano yesterday, so major newb here) but wanted to chime in. I like mypianorecital.com which is available. Im a web designer too and I like the idea of something simple but not branded only to the forum that can pull in traffic from elsewhere, piano recital in the url will provide much SEO goodness for google. smile

Also this sounds like fun and my company (my husband and I lol) could draw a custom logo/header for the site after you decide, I'd love to make that free contribution. The sites we design are very art heavy since that's what we specialize in, one example is crazyrumors.com smile
And there we have it -- a professional's opinion! Thanks, sukiyue. Congrats on your new piano, and welcome to ABF! BTW, I like your avatar.


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#1774716 - 10/21/11 02:33 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Sukiyue, I agree with you that a more decriptive title could possibly lure in more listeners. A title like "Listen to begining piano students perform.com" would be even more descriptive and probably end up in key word search results to a much larger potential audience. Your idea is valid.

My only possible concern is do we as a group want to keep our current peaceful forum putting along at a slow-moderate pace? Or do we want to be potentially overwhelmed with traffic that may become less personal and more volume oriented?

I'm not saying this will happen, but it could.

Over the past several years I have seen the volume increase here and unfortunately, the turnover as well. I realize that these are natural occurances of an internet forum and will proabably run its course anyway. I just don't know in what direction most of us would like to see this forum head.

This probably is topic for another thread anyway but I figured I'll post my thoughts on this.

Thanks for the generous offer of the logo. Along with La Valse hosting, Monicas organization, Sams recital index, Coppers stats etc, these recitals are becoming better all the time.


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#1774726 - 10/21/11 02:54 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Hi, sukiyue - hope you love your new piano. This is the place to be for help and fun while you learn smile

I like ABFrecitals.com, or possibly PW-ABFrecitals. I don't feel the need for traffic outside of our ownselves for the recitals. It's not like I'm waiting to be discovered! And I would hope that those who are aren't tempted to be in our recitals - I'd like them to not be very commerializable. It's hard enough to keep people from cluttering up the forums who are really just linking to their sell-you sites - Greg must clean up several a month. So I like keeping us to forum participators and adjuncts smile

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#1774768 - 10/21/11 04:14 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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I too am a bit hesitant about the idea of drawing in a lot of "outsiders" to listen to our recitals. I think that we are very definitely a Piano World Group and don't want to break with that - we have a wonderful community here and I see the new site as something that really should not take on a life of its own, but rather just be an add-on (conceptually) to this forum.

Isn't it about time we made sure Frank was aware of an involved in this conversation?



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Originally Posted by casinitaly
I too am a bit hesitant about the idea of drawing in a lot of "outsiders" to listen to our recitals. I think that we are very definitely a Piano World Group and don't want to break with that - we have a wonderful community here and I see the new site as something that really should not take on a life of its own, but rather just be an add-on (conceptually) to this forum.


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#1774864 - 10/21/11 07:27 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Here is another possibility.

I can set up a sub domain of Piano World, say RedDot.PianoWorld.com or

ABF_Rectitals.PianoWorld.com or some such.

Someone would still need to maintain the recordings/postings/etc., but there would be no charge for the space or the bandwidth and links would still be relative to Piano World.

We actually lease a number of servers which are constantly being upgraded to handle our ever growing traffic.

Alternately you/we/I can purchase a domain, and host it on our servers.

If possible I'd like to keep the family together :-)

Speaking of which, I can also easily create a sub-forum within the ABF specifically for the recital discussions.

As you can see by hv's post in the Cape Cod Party thread, hosting multiple mp3/videos isn't a problem
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#1774913 - 10/21/11 09:46 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Frank, this IS your site and having you involved in our recitals is probably the best all around. Then again, we (the ABF members) have handled these recitlas from the start and really have not had many problems. either way, it is probably best to have your support and blessings on how it is run while keeping it all Piano World related.

Could we just keep everything the same but host the recitals on the Piano world servers as mentioned? This way nothing really changes and La Valse doesn't have to cough up the cash to cover us. Monica will remain the administrator and I'll continue to do nothing as usual.

Sounds like a plan to me.

#1774966 - 10/22/11 12:31 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Thanks for the welcomes. smile The sub domain offering from PW Frank if your wanting to keep in in the "family", which is totally understandable, is a great one. Also something to keep in mind, and I'm not trying to be all depresso or anything, but if something happened to the member who purchased the domain name or you could not reach them when it came time to renew, you would be in trouble. This happens all the time to my clients. A client is moving their site from an old designer who hosted their site and ordered their domain name for them, they go to email or get ahold of the old designer and can't, and client is up a creek without a paddle. Its not a pretty situation to lose your domain after years of building something up.

Not saying that would happen with LaValse or anyone else ordering the domain, I'm sure you have your bases covered, but having a official forum hosted site would take that worry away from you. It's the reason I don't resell hosting or domains, to much responsibility on that end lol. wink

Ok i'm done sticking my nose in, its just to hard to resist when the conversation goes this way since it's my living. My offer of doing a free group logo/header stands though, I think it would be fun. wink


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#1774971 - 10/22/11 12:46 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
Could we just keep everything the same but host the recitals on the Piano world servers as mentioned? This way nothing really changes and La Valse doesn't have to cough up the cash to cover us. Monica will remain the administrator and I'll continue to do nothing as usual.

Sounds like a plan to me.


That actually sounds good to me. I'd rather not have a separate subforum for it - boy, am I resistant to change or what? laugh

Howsomever, it is still true that for me a lot of the attraction of the ABF is that we're all in it together smile Works for me.

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I think that having something hosted right in PW would be great - particularly since we would not have to mess with older links to past recitals.


--- or am I mistaken? This supposes (I think) that the existing recital files remain in La Valse's system doesn't it? -which is what we're trying to remedy with a new site/subforum/thingy .....


I like the idea of a subforum - because then we could keep all the new recitals in one place, and we could have a sticky at the top with links to all the past ones.

A new subforum would be (I suppose) right that the top of the ABF, nicely nested within the community that loves it so dearly.

and...it's very kind of MissyDee to offer to make a logo.


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I propose to drop the "adult" or is it really necessary?

And use org instead of com? It's not commercial, right?

something like

pianorecitals.org

pianoworldrecitals.org


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Originally Posted by WiseBuff
House of the Red Dot might have some appeal.


Red Dot, Rising Sun. . . yeah, super-hunky might fit there smile

In my youth I might have :\

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#1775114 - 10/22/11 11:22 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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One thing about a subforum that I think is problematic is that, at least for me, it isn't bolded when there's a new post and I never see the ones in the other forums. It's also physically separated from the other posts. So even tho I'd be looking for posts when I sign on, it wouldn't be obvious to those who weren't recital sensitive, and I think it would be harder for newbies, or even just those haven't been in one, to be aware of it.

Just my opinion, of course.

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#1775119 - 10/22/11 11:31 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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jotor, it's only for hosting the recital files, if I understand right. Not about posting comments.


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I see your point Cathy- I tend to subscribe to the recital threads anyway while they are "hot", and I also use the "active topics/posts features", which does show the forums and subforums. However, for someone new, yes,... it could be less obvious.

Wouter, I thought that it WOULD be a possible forum for posting, but of course it doesn't have to be.


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Welcome MissyDee and congrats on the new acquisition!

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The sub domain offering from PW Frank if your wanting to keep in in the "family", which is totally understandable, is a great one.


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Does this work with the recital software Monica is using?

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My offer of doing a free group logo/header stands though, I think it would be fun. wink


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ABFrecitals.com just makes too much sense. It's short, simple and describes exactly what it is. My vote would go for that title.


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Sam, does Frank's offer- work for you being able to link your work to the recital sub domain?








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Originally Posted by wouter79
I propose to drop the "adult" or is it really necessary?

And use org instead of com? It's not commercial, right?

something like

pianorecitals.org

pianoworldrecitals.org





Wouter, the "adult" name in the title is not entirely accurate. Neither is "beginer". My personal opinion is that there are propably some 'true' beginers that are intimidated and possibly reluctant to participate in these recitals. There may also be a few particiapnsts who play at the intermediate or higher levels with decades of playing under their belt. Performing in a "beginer" recital may not seem compatible either.

In any event, this topic has been discussed at length over the years; always with the same results. That being to leave it alone!

I have never agreed with this logic and still don't simply because a large incompatibility does factually exist. Fact: Our "adult beginer" forum contains members of all ages (not just adults), and is made up of members of all ability and experience levels, not just beginers.

I wouldn't be opposed to a more accurate description of the forum and possibly a finer breakdown of categories...(the addition of an "intermediate" forum to complete the spectrum. We already have a beginer and an advanced ((Pianist Corner)) forum.

Just a heads up. These topics (1. forum title change 2. addition of an intermediate category = Can-O-Worms!.

To be honest, I'd love to see someone else give these topics a run. I've tried several times with no luck!


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Originally Posted by Strings & Wood

Sam, does Frank's offer- work for you being able to link your work to the recital sub domain?


It's only changing the links to past recordings that would cause me difficulty. But that would also break the old Piano World recital threads. Whatever happens in the future I can adapt to.

Sam

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I wouldn't be opposed to a more accurate description of the forum and possibly a finer breakdown of categories...(the addition of an "intermediate" forum to complete the spectrum. We already have a beginer and an advanced ((Pianist Corner)) forum.


I think there will always be a need for the "ABF", so adults coming to the the forum, will have a place to feel comfortable and communicate with peers. The recital part has been, in my mind, an important part of the learning process. I would hate to see that aspect of the ABF removed.

On the other hand, people advance and move on. I think it is only natural to have an intermediate medium. Also, there are plenty of people who visit, who are intermediates, and probably feel there is not a slot for them to fit. The problem I see is there would need to be two recitals. I suppose the current recital could be bracketed or perhaps the beginners get two quarters and the intermediates get two quarters. That might make the numbers more manageable.








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Originally Posted by Strings & Wood
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On the other hand, people advance and move on. I think it is only natural to have an intermediate medium. Also, there are plenty of people who visit, who are intermediates, and probably feel there is not a slot for them to fit...


Sounds like a good idea, but...as we all know so well there is quite a wide range of experience, training, talent, skill and ability within any given "level of play" - there are those who are beginning intermediate, those who are intermediate intermediate and those who are advanced intermediate. with a very wide range of difference between each (not to mention those in transition from one to the other) - so ultimately even here you would end up with a situation pretty much as exists already in the recitals - a broad spectrum of skills and abilities in a category the intent of which was to narrow them.

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Originally Posted by Strings & Wood

Sam, does Frank's offer- work for you being able to link your work to the recital sub domain?


It's only changing the links to past recordings that would cause me difficulty. But that would also break the old Piano World recital threads. Whatever happens in the future I can adapt to.

Sam


I think we could handle the links issue with some scripting, probably in an htaccess file at the root level. Or another possibility would be to move the existing recordings over to PW so everthing was in one area.

I'm trying to keep an eye on the discussions but at some point I may need someone to consolidate everything into the primary objectives along with what the group feels would work best for everyone.

I'm happy to provide the space and any support I can, but you folks are the ones who have been doing all the heavy lifting.
If possible I'd like to consolidate things on PW.

I've also been watching the suggestions about other forums or sub-forums.
It isn't that it's difficult for me to create them, but we've had these discussions before and usually decided against them. If there is a really good arguement for creating yet another forum (or sub-forum) I have no problem making it happen. I just don't want us having so many choices nobody knows which one they should be participating in.

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#1775888 - 10/23/11 06:56 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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Thanks Monica. I will check it out.

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First off, I couldn't live with myself having only 2 recitals per year. To be honest I would rather consider having a monthly recital. This way, if you have something ready, you can participate. If not, maybe the following month you could. Having a monthly recital may actually have members submitting more performances per year. I'd think that could be a good thing. There actually may be less pressure because a fresh new reital will come around every month.

Just a suggestion.

Anyway, if the main topic is the innacurate ABF description (for reasons mentioned above), then all we would have to do is fix the title and we're set. No need to break anyone up. We all stay and perform together in the "amateur" group or some decription of that nature. True 'beginers' can learn and listen to the more seasoned amateurs (various levels of everything other than pro) and the more seasoned players can listen and give suggestions and tips to the beginers. It's a positive enviroment in which everyone wins.

I agree, why bust that up?

Just tweak the title to something more "amateur" oriented and everything is resolved. We still would have a full spectrum offering from the PW site as well broken down into two simple categories:

Pros: (Pianist corner)
Amateur: (Adult* amateurs) *adult may be a loose term. More like 'adult' behavior...for the most part anyway!



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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
To be honest I would rather consider having a monthly recital. This way, if you have something ready, you can participate. If not, maybe the following month you could.


*cough* piano bar *cough*

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Hehe, good one!

Ben I know the piano bar is a monthly thing but it is not at the 'recital' level. It wasn't meant to be.

The piano bar is really a place to perform anything at any time in any decent shape. Just like an open piano in a bar or similar.

While I understand that not everyone will have something ready every month, some will. Then again, if we have a monthly recital, would it lose its luster of quarterly significance?

You see, I knew this topic just opens the can once again lol.


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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
While I understand that not everyone will have something ready every month, some will. Then again, if we have a monthly recital, would it lose its luster of quarterly significance?


I think it would. I also think it would make the monthly piano bar obsolete in a way.

Having the recitals quarterly, how many times have you heard the comments, "Another recital again already?!" I think having the quarterly recital platform really is ideal and brilliant that you folks came up with this so long ago and it still works just right today.

(although I personally wouldn't mind recitals every 4 months, but "tri-annual recital" just doesn't sound as nice as "quarterly recital". (and I had to look "tri-annual" up whome ))


But back to the piano bar, I think this is still a great idea too for posting on a monthly basis. A little more casual, but man, there's some great stuff posted there every month too. thumb


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#1775975 - 10/23/11 10:26 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky

You see, I knew this topic just opens the can once again lol.
You do have a tendency to do that. You must like those worms! laugh


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Originally Posted by MaryBee
Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky

You see, I knew this topic just opens the can once again lol.
You do have a tendency to do that. You must like those worms! laugh



Yeah I know. actually, Ben is making a lot of sense. I should probably pipe down before we somehow end up with less than 4 recitals per year. I couldn't handle that. Besides, "good job, sounds great" month after month....after month....well, you know!


#1776077 - 10/24/11 06:51 AM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: BenPiano]  
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Originally Posted by BenPiano
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But back to the piano bar, I think this is still a great idea too for posting on a monthly basis. A little more casual, but man, there's some great stuff posted there every month too. thumb


Thanks Ben...and your stuff is really good too laugh

But seriously, I think that in a certain way to a certain extent the postings to the Piano Bars are so consistently good precisely because there is far less hype and expectation, with far less stress for a "perfect performance", i.e., the predictable and desirable outcome of the casual atmosphere that underlies the whole submission/comments experience.

A monthly recital would more than likely replace this with something more formal and stressful (red dot syndrome loaded) and thus far less satisfying and congenial.

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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky

Anyway, if the main topic is the innacurate ABF description (for reasons mentioned above), then all we would have to do is fix the title and we're set. No need to break anyone up. We all stay and perform together in the "amateur" group or some decription of that nature. True 'beginers' can learn and listen to the more seasoned amateurs (various levels of everything other than pro) and the more seasoned players can listen and give suggestions and tips to the beginers. It's a positive enviroment in which everyone wins.



Remember the ABF Survey?

Our experience is all over the place, but few of us are real beginners anymore.

How about: Amateur Piano Forum - I think one thing most of us have in common is that we don't make our living from music. I don't mean to exclude those teachers and professionals that post helpful tips - they are welcome here.

Of course, since we are so diverse, I doubt that we could ever reach a consensus on a name change...

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I like the idea of hosting the recitals at Piano World. Perhaps "recitals.pianoworld.com" for the subdomain. That way other forums besides ABF (such as the Pianist Corners) can have on-line recitals if they like.

I presume from Frank's postings that hosting 11GB+ of past recital files, plus future expansion, won't significantly change his hosting costs? (That's not a real lot of space compared to today's hard disk sizes, but it has to be shared across multiple Web servers; it may be enterprise SAN storage which is about 10X more expensive than consumer-grade SATA disk).


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Originally Posted by Sam S


Remember the ABF Survey?



Sam, I think you need to make a new survey to iron out this change!! Here's a few possible questions, along with my vote and comment.

1.) What should the name of the new recital sight be?

Here's my proposal:

recitals.pianoworld.com\ABF

This makes sense because what if...what if our friends in the Pianist Corner want to have e-citals too?

VOTE:

Thumbs Up ______

Thumbs Down ______


2.) Should we change the name of this forum?

Absolutely NOT!! Once upon a time, I was only a YouTuber with no real home or no one to chat with about being a beginner, etc. I am a re-starter, but guess what?! I was out of the game for almost 30 years, which really makes me a beginner (or rebaganner, restarter, etc). grin Then one day, about 2 years ago, I googled "Adult Beginner Piano". The rest, as they say, is history.

NAME CHANGE, Vote:

Thumbs Up _____

Thumbs Down ______



3.) Should the recitals continue to be quarterly?

HECK yeah!! Unlike some of you, I'm a very slow learner. I'm lucky to come up with something recordable at least once a quarter...sometimes it takes my slow-learning arse 6 months! The recitals are a big motivator for lots of us to practice and come up with something really GOOOOD. Quarterly is extremely do-able for most of us busy adults.

VOTE:

Thumbs Up ______

Thumbs Down ______


4.) Should the piano bars continue to be monthly!?

Again...HECK YEAH!!! Although I'm a very infrequent participator (again, 'cause I'm slow), I do lurk every so often to see what you guys are working on. I love the informal, low-pressure atmosphere.

VOTE:

Thumbs Up ______

Thumbs Down ______




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In reading over everybody's comments and talking things over with LaValse, it seems to me that there are many excellent reasons for migrating the recitals over to Frank's pianoworld servers, and no compelling reasons NOT to make the change.

The main advantage, of course, is that it provides continuity for the recitals as long as PW exists and thus avoids the problem of what would happen--as mr_super-hunky always likes to speculate--if LaValse or I got run over by a train. (Now, if FRANK gets run over by a train, we're in a world of trouble, but that would be true in any case.)

It sounds like we can make a sub-domain free of charge on Frank's PW servers, so being the cheap sort, I suggest that's what we do. If I read Frank's post correctly, that means our recital website name needs to be something like xxxx.pianoworld.com. For the purposes of transparency, I suggest we go with something like abfrecitals.pianoworld.com. I'm personally not a big fan of underlines in URLs, so I'd rather just mash all the letters together, but that's just me. laugh

LaValse is going to get together with Frank about the details of moving over the archives and changing the links. I suppose Sam should get involved at some point, too, to see what we can do about redirecting the links in his index... that's way too much work, and way too helpful, to have it go to waste! In any event, this won't be affecting the ever-imminent upcoming recital.

As for the debate about what to call AB forum, I suggest we save ourselves a whole lot of time and angst and just cut to what we always end up concluding every time this topic gets debated: Leave it the way it is. whome



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You don't like ab_frecitals?

Even more cache than mr. super_hunky stadium smile

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#1776626 - 10/24/11 10:06 PM Re: Ideas needed for new name for recital site [Re: Monica K.]  
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The problem with underlines is that, depending on the font/color scheme used and what else is going on, it can be hard to tell whether there's an underline or a space. And it's hard to type them quickly. Even now, after all these years, it can be hard for me to get the underline and hyphen straight with mr_super-hunky's name, which is why I often just call him hunky. grin

So, yeah, I'm prejudiced against underlines, but I like to think it's a rational prejudice. laugh


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If we do move the recitals over to the PW server, I just want to say thanks again to La Valse for the use of his server for the past few years. We would have been stuck without a place to host it in the begining.

Quarterly recitals should remain quarterly.

Monthly piano bar should remain monthly

Monica can just keep calling me "Hunky". It's okay as I often refer to her as "Carpet kitten". It's the way we roll!

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Just to note it... instead of underlines (which I agree can be confused with spaces so aren't ideal) one can use dashes, as in abf-recitals.pianoworld.com. That doesn't solve the "hard to type" problem, though.


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+1 to the poster who suggested recitals.pianoworld.com and maybe a simple splash page or navigation scheme that can direct the user to the various recitals in PW.

This is easier to remember than the abfrecitals subdomain name, and thinking long-term, it saves Frank the trouble of adding additional related subdomains, if say, the other recital sub-communities on PW, e.g., those in Pianist's Corner, request a similar space. Moreover, before other recitals are added, recitals.pw.com could simply redirect or point to the ABF Recitals, without an intermediary splash page.


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ab-frecitals, then smile

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Just for clarity, I was not suggesting to change this forum's name. I was just proposing a name for the host to store the recital files.


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I think Monica summed things up very nicely.
I'd like to thank LaValse too for all the past work and kindess in hosting us - and in advance for what is to come!
Again, if I can be of any help, I'm happy to volonteer !

I think it doesn't matter too much what the new location is called in terms of its link name because all we're ever going to do is go to it from within the forums (I think?)....

If the people in the Pianist corner want to organize their own recitals, ...um, let them. I can't see that it would be a good idea to mix performers from this forum with performers from that forum - especially when it comes to feedback!


I agree that quarterly recitals are about as much as many of us can handle, those who are able and willing to do more have the piano bar.

I found this forum searching for Adult beginner and I imagine many others did too - not just CebuKid smile
Even though it might be a bit of a misnomer and we often have these discussions, I have no problem with it staying as it is. I've developed an affection for it - and think of Farm Girl - would she have to change her name again?

As for splitting the recitals into "beginner" and "better than beginner" whatever that might be - I honestly don't see that there is a need for that.
In real recitals you have people of different levels playing- why not here?
I know I was one of the ones who went into a mild state of shock listening to the performances in the first recital I ever participated in ---and I said "Beginers? - who are you trying to kid!?" But in retrospect, I really love the fact that there are a few (one or two anyway) who have less playing time than I do, many who are in a reasonably close vicinity but seem to have more talent!- and lots who are significantly more expert /talented at the keyboard. I hear all kinds of music I would never otherwise encounter, and it is really inspirational to think -wow....this person has been playing for 5-6 years.... I might be able to manage it in the future too. This one has been playing for 10+ years...I wonder what I'll be able to do in 10 year... and so on..


I guess we are all creatures of habit, resistant to change --- especially once we've found such a marvellous comfort zone!




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Originally Posted by Monica K.


So, yeah, I'm prejudiced against underlines, but I like to think it's a rational prejudice. laugh



Aren't they all? But, so much for affirmative action and equal opportunity for underlines...or is it underscores?

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I vote for recitals.pianoworld.com

"Should we change the name of this forum?"
"Should the recitals continue to be quarterly?"

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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Whelp, looks like the whole "adult" + "beginer" semantics debate ends up going nowhere once again....for about the 4th time!

Who keeps constantly bringing this up anyway??

Actually, while all the replies are great, Sams seems to sum it up best.

Originally Posted by Sam S
Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky

Anyway, if the main topic is the innacurate ABF description (for reasons mentioned above), then all we would have to do is fix the title and we're set. No need to break anyone up. We all stay and perform together in the "amateur" group or some decription of that nature. True 'beginers' can learn and listen to the more seasoned amateurs (various levels of everything other than pro) and the more seasoned players can listen and give suggestions and tips to the beginers. It's a positive enviroment in which everyone wins.



Remember the ABF Survey?

Our experience is all over the place, but few of us are real beginners anymore.

How about: Amateur Piano Forum - I think one thing most of us have in common is that we don't make our living from music. I don't mean to exclude those teachers and professionals that post helpful tips - they are welcome here.

Of course, since we are so diverse, I doubt that we could ever reach a consensus on a name change...

Sam



If you think about it, most, if not all of us are not true 'beginers' anymore but it really doesn't matter as no matter what we call ourselves we will all stay together as one big (disfunctional?) happy family!

I can't promise that I won't bring up the inclusion of "amateur" in the title (as it is a much more accurate description of who we are) but as others have mentioned, people ARE resisant to change and even if we DO change the forum title, it still really doesn't change anything. We're still the same close knit group we've always been.

Group hug but no hanky panky. Okay well maybe just a little!

Note: Monica, the recital title name really is not that important as most of us are just going to click on the link to get there. As long as the title is relatively simple and works with Franks server format then I say just make an executive decision, pick something and implement it. For the most part we trust you; just not with cash! lol.


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You're right, hunky, so I'm going to engage in the time-honored method of passing the buck and letting the programmers (LaValse and/or mahlzeit and/or Frank) make that decision. That way nobody can blame me when they come up with one of those typically dense computer thingies like %AbF/#^%4/3##.html.lol.jpeg_}]. laugh


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Hi All,
I have not been reading posts lately, but I would like to say I agree with Monica. Keep it simple to get to site to upload to the Recital. Keep our name Adult Beginners Forum, keep the Monthly Piano Bar, and give the quarterly recital a name that is simple. I have been busy learning how to use my new Mac. Will download Audacity, and hope I can be ready for the November recital thumb
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