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#1767326 - 10/09/11 02:37 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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I work for a school in which I get roughly 50% of the cut. I am satisfied with that for several reasons:

1. I used to work at a place where I got 70% of the cut. But I had to do ALL my own legwork. If a student didn't pay, and I hadn't caught it for that month, then I'd get no money. Not a good deal.

2. 50% (or 45%) goes to the upkeep of the school and pays for the receptionist, who also collects the money, goes after students who are late, tracks attendance, notifies me of changes, and generally does all the recordkeeping for the business. I show up, teach, record my own attendance, and submit an invoice at the end of the month. If a student is delinquent in paying, I still get paid regardless, unlike the other place.

3. The school at which I teach offers ABRSM, piano guild, Federation, and regular performance opportunities. I do not have to go searching for any of these; if I wanted to join, all I would have to do is speak up and pay the dues.

I am okay with taking home less money at the end of the day because the staff takes care of ALL my needs. The place I worked prior to this took care of none of my needs, and the extra money simply wasn't worth the crappy studio (mushrooms grew in my carpet!) and the lost money.

In short, EZpiano, if you want to have a larger percentage, you had better offer all of these services to your teachers. In exchange, the teachers at my current school all have signed non-competes.


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#1767362 - 10/09/11 03:34 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: Minaku]  
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Originally Posted by Minaku
I work for a school in which I get roughly 50% of the cut. I am satisfied with that for several reasons:

1. I used to work at a place where I got 70% of the cut. But I had to do ALL my own legwork. If a student didn't pay, and I hadn't caught it for that month, then I'd get no money. Not a good deal.

2. 50% (or 45%) goes to the upkeep of the school and pays for the receptionist, who also collects the money, goes after students who are late, tracks attendance, notifies me of changes, and generally does all the recordkeeping for the business. I show up, teach, record my own attendance, and submit an invoice at the end of the month. If a student is delinquent in paying, I still get paid regardless, unlike the other place.

3. The school at which I teach offers ABRSM, piano guild, Federation, and regular performance opportunities. I do not have to go searching for any of these; if I wanted to join, all I would have to do is speak up and pay the dues.

I am okay with taking home less money at the end of the day because the staff takes care of ALL my needs. The place I worked prior to this took care of none of my needs, and the extra money simply wasn't worth the crappy studio (mushrooms grew in my carpet!) and the lost money.

In short, EZpiano, if you want to have a larger percentage, you had better offer all of these services to your teachers. In exchange, the teachers at my current school all have signed non-competes.


But 50% of $25 is different than 50% of $35. It all depends on what is acceptable for that area, and like you said, what amenities the studio is offering.


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#1768969 - 10/11/11 11:34 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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I am going to be joining forces with a studio soon...we have worked out an arrangement where I get 90%. I will be working there 2 days a week while maintaining my other private students.

You may attract lower experienced teachers getting their start...and thus possibly higher turnover amongst students.

But then again...you might get lucky!


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#1769140 - 10/12/11 09:15 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: trillingadventurer]  
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90%?! How did you talk them into this?


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#1769180 - 10/12/11 10:35 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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Yes... 90%?!?!?! Is insane... I don't think the studio will do very well, if they offer 90% of the fees to you... Good job though! smile

#1769264 - 10/12/11 01:37 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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If you charge $25 per half hour, you pay the store $2.50 (at 10%). If you teach 8 students per day that would be $20 per day that you'd pay to the store. 5 teaching days per week would be $100 or $400 per month that the store makes on one teaching studio. And most stores have more than one studio. Mmm... I don't think it sounds like a bad deal for the store.

I guess it would depend on your location. Rates for retail space vary from city to city. Some charge $2 per sq ft, some charge $1.


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#1769294 - 10/12/11 02:22 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: dumdumdiddle]  
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Originally Posted by dumdumdiddle
If you charge $25 per half hour, you pay the store $2.50 (at 10%). If you teach 8 students per day that would be $20 per day that you'd pay to the store. 5 teaching days per week would be $100 or $400 per month that the store makes on one teaching studio. And most stores have more than one studio. Mmm... I don't think it sounds like a bad deal for the store.


Which makes the other "music schools" that completely rip off the teachers look GREEDY.


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#1769346 - 10/12/11 04:29 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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80% of my students/families make much more money than I do. They are definitely eating.


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#1769580 - 10/13/11 12:09 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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This is assuming the store has 4-8 teachers each with 8 students who all pay promptly at the beginning of each month.

Let's assume there are 5 teachers, each with 8 half-hour students a day. So that's 2000 at the end of the month, 24,000 pre-tax at the end of the year. Doesn't sound like a particularly profitable establishment to me.


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#1769620 - 10/13/11 01:01 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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If the music store owner uses most of his square footage for selling music items, then that $2000 per month is payment towards the owner's overall monthly rent. He's not making a profit on the rent but helping pay his own rent.

Also, there's a difference (I think) in a studio situation where a teacher is bringing his/her own students and not depending upon the store to give them leads. If the store were actively involved in funneling students to teachers & advertising lessons, then I think 10% is too low for a store to charge a teacher.

I would be interested to know how other music stores that have teaching studios operate.


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#1769621 - 10/13/11 01:01 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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If the music store owner uses most of his square footage for selling music items, then that $2000 per month is payment towards the owner's overall monthly rent. He's not making a profit on the rent but helping pay his own rent.

Also, there's a difference (I think) in a studio situation where a teacher is bringing his/her own students and not depending upon the store to give them leads. If the store were actively involved in funneling students to teachers & advertising lessons, then I think 10% is too low for a store to charge a teacher.

I would be interested to know how other music stores that have teaching studios operate.


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#1769622 - 10/13/11 01:01 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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If it's a store it likely has other income. This is only a portion of their total earnings.


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#1769798 - 10/13/11 08:19 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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If the store is a retail store then it will have employees and supply chain costs. 24k a year pre-tax in addition to however much the store can generate doesn't seem like enough to sustain the owner, especially if the owner has a family to provide for.


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#1770833 - 10/14/11 11:38 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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I would rather give the teacher more of a cut - that way you will usually recruit somewhat better teachers - which means higher retention rates - which means you can open up new locations or hire more teachers quicker

More teachers who take more of the cut and who are better is better than less teachers who take less of the cut who are worse.

Supply vs. Demand

Would your clients wish you to supply mediocre teachers for lower costs or better teachers for higher costs?

Would your teachers wish you to supply higher payment or lower payment?

You need to find a balance of those 2.

#1770943 - 10/15/11 09:00 AM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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Some teachers are very interested in NOT having to spend time on the "business keeping" end of things- collecting tuition, dealing with missed lessons, recruiting new students, organizing recitals, ordering music, etc. For these individuals, teaching for someone else who IS willing to take on these responsibilities is very desirable, to the point that they might be willing to give up say 50% of what the student is actually paying.

If all you are providing is space (and referrals), you will certainly be limiting yourself to teachers who are new to the area or are just starting out, or teachers who, for whatever reason, do not have the option of teaching out of their homes. Once they are established with a full schedule, it's easy for them to begin wondering how they could put themselves in a situation to keep a bigger slice of that pie for themselves. They may jump ship and take a bunch of students with them. You can have them sign non-compete contracts, but actually enforcing them is an entirely different matter- almost impossible.

If you want to retain quality teachers, you need to think of them as your customers the same way that you think of your students as customers. You need to provide the teachers with services that make teaching for you a more enjoyable and hassle-free experience than it would be on their own, even if they are taking home less money.

If all you are providing is space, beware of frequent turn-over and the possibility of losing students when teachers leave.


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#1771054 - 10/15/11 12:55 PM Re: How much you like to get paid? [Re: bzpiano]  
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Here's the elephant in the room: H-1B visa sponsorship. Some of these piano teachers (non-US citizens) are so desperate to stay legally in the US, they'll accept the low wages as long as the "music school" sponsors their H-1B visa.


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