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Tuning a piano with mediator
#1767684 10/10/11 01:29 AM
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Tuning a piano with mediator
I use when tuning of piano with mediator. Such way allows to search for the sounds of the necessary height without shim and laying of the tape. I listen harmonic assonance and intervals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQ-ZInLsF4

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Maximillyan #1767758 10/10/11 06:39 AM
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I take "mediator" to mean "plectrum", and "shim and laying of tape" to mean " using a muting strip" ?

Having watched this video I am at a total loss as to why such people are encouraged by others on this site. This guy cannot tune, and more importantly .... is in serious danger of snapping wrestpins the way he flagpoles them with his T bar socket set "tuning hammer" !

It is exactly this sort of person that gets the trade a bad name, and why his sort should not be able to post on a forum titled " tuner / technicians".

It would be much more acceptable if this guy took heed of criticism and demonstrated a desire to learn, rather than being encouraged to carry on with his vandalism. Ten out of ten for his keeness ... but nought out of ten for skill !


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Maximillyan #1767786 10/10/11 07:44 AM
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Yes, it is painful to watch.

Still, only his cutomers are the rightful judges of his services.


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Maximillyan #1767789 10/10/11 07:48 AM
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I don't see how the string segments can be properly rendered and set by lightly plucking instead of striking.

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Still, only his cutomers are the rightful judges of his services.


Why, Jeff? The video is pretty clear.



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Maximillyan #1767792 10/10/11 07:53 AM
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Loren:

Call it the evolution concept. If no one wanted his services, this would not be occurring.


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Maximillyan #1767803 10/10/11 08:20 AM
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We have no idea how many want his services. *edit* Still though, I don't see how that translates into watching a video and not being able to make a judgement about what you see.

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Maximillyan #1767814 10/10/11 08:59 AM
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Loren:

I said it was painful to me, but my opinion does not matter.

Maybe this is an odd concept only used by oddballs... ? frown



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UnrightTooner #1767846 10/10/11 10:05 AM
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Is he bending the pins to tune, or is there a rotary component I'm missing?


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With the greatest respect Jeff, you say that, - Quote "Still, only his cutomers are the rightful judges of his services."

Fellow tuner technicians are the ones that should be expected to judge the practises of such people posing as professionals. The customer trusts that the workman knows what he is doing.


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Maximillyan #1767883 10/10/11 10:51 AM
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Maximillyan -

Have you tried a more traditional tuning lever? I worry that you will injure your wrist using your technique. I think that if I used your tuning tool I would suffer tendonitis very soon. I also wonder how stable your unisons are with your technique.

Nice to hear from you,

Zeno


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Maximillyan #1767891 10/10/11 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnkie
With the greatest respect Jeff, you say that, - Quote "Still, only his cutomers are the rightful judges of his services."

Fellow tuner technicians are the ones that should be expected to judge the practises of such people posing as professionals. The customer trusts that the workman knows what he is doing.


That can lead to cronyism, and is not a free market idea.

I believe that the cream will always float to the top. In Max’s area he may very well be the cream!


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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
only his cutomers are the rightful judges of his services.

I nobody does not obtrude its method of the tuning. However consider that it exists to be. I tuning listen all sounds in accord interpretation. Carefully reconciling pin's motion . I don't carefree resource pin and pinblock. Try and judge

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Dan Casdorph #1767918 10/10/11 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Casdorph
or is there a rotary component I'm missing?

"Ловкость рук и никакого мошенничества"
Sleight of hand and no focuses

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Originally Posted by Zeno Wood
Maximillyan -

Have you tried a more traditional tuning lever? I worry that you will injure your wrist using your technique. I think that if I used your tuning tool I would suffer tendonitis very soon. I also wonder how stable your unisons are with your technique.

Nice to hear from you,

Zeno


Zeno, you are such a good guy! Others on this forum could take a lesson from you...


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Perhaps 'Borat' is not far from the truth.
In the country of the blind, the one eyed man is King.
This is a free international forum and I hope it remains so but can we ban the whiners who complain about other posters?
Is it, perhaps, part of our function to be helpful to our brethren who have less access to what we so glibly take for granted.
Have we considered that the proper equipment is not readily available to Max.
There's an adage, if I am not part of the cure, then I'm part of the problem.
Sermon over. Go in peace to love and serve whomever you like but please, a little human decency.

Max. PM me your postal address and I will send to you a tuning lever and some other things that you may find useful.


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Maximillyan #1767990 10/10/11 01:35 PM
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If I whine enough to get the whiners banned, will I be banned too? (Don't mind me. I went to my first foot washing yesterday.)


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I haven't ever heard you whine on this forum, Jeff, you'r far too well bred.
I read too quickly and thought you said you went first footing. Now, there's a thought, will the next wave of technology include getting cyberdrunk together?
Anyway, now that I read it properly, when are you getting the other one washed?.


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There's no need to wish for those that disagree with the plainly ridiculous working methods sometimes posted on this forum to be banned .... I know of a good many that have already left of their own accord!

To all those who have attained skill and expertise, I salute you - to those who haven't ... You win ... I'm not wasting anymore time on you. Have a good day y'all.


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Originally Posted by Johnkie
There's no need to wish for those that disagree with the plainly ridiculous working methods sometimes posted on this forum to be banned .... I know of a good many that have already left of their own accord!

To all those who have attained skill and expertise, I salute you - to those who haven't ... You win ... I'm not wasting anymore time on you. Have a good day y'all.


C'mon, Johnkie, I know you're still out there. Your contribution is far too valuable,

You sparked of the whole question of shall we condemn them or shall we help them?

For me to sermonise on a free society, then add my own petty restrictions was an attempt at injecting some humour as Jeff plainly noticed.

Praps I came across a bit parsimonious but I really believe what I said. Let's not pull up the ladder by which we all ascended.






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Johnkie,

I hear they are in need of good technicians in Kazakhstan. This might be your big chance! Grab your tools and a Google translator, and you'll clean up!


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