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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756183
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Originally Posted by voxpops
The Kawai has a stronger, heavier build (although I was surprised to find out that the end-cheeks are plastic of some sort).


I'm pretty sure they're wood, but will double-check.

What material is the Numa constructed from?

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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: Kawai James] #1756187
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by voxpops
The Kawai has a stronger, heavier build (although I was surprised to find out that the end-cheeks are plastic of some sort).


I'm pretty sure they're wood, but will double-check.

What material is the Numa constructed from?

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Maybe I'm wrong about the cheeks, but the consistency seems a little unlike wood.

The Numa is metal base (aluminum, I think) with a plastic feel to the top panel, and plastic cheeks.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756225
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Correction,

The end cheeks ARE wood. They just managed to do a convincing impression of being plastic!


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756403
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Probably the lacquered finish?

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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: Kawai James] #1756638
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Probably the lacquered finish?

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Actually, it was what was under the lacquer that confused me. Seemed very light but quite dense - kind of like plastic mixed with MDF!. The split in the right cheek gave the game away in the end, though. I'd be curious to know what wood it is.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756641
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One thing I must praise Kawai for is that, like an old car, it seems designed to be worked on. The case is easy to open up and everything's accessible. It would be a cinch to swap a board.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756657
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With another few days to wait before the final replacement key arrives, and with a damaged finger so I can't actually play much, I've taken to knob-twiddling. This is something I'm not really into as I prefer the sound designers/programmers to do all the twiddling before I buy an instrument, but I have to say there's a lot of potential here for customizing the piano sound. It obviously won't compensate for missing velocity layers, but you can add a smidgen of extra decay time, tame the rather over-bright nature of the concert grand, add a bit more resonance, and so on.

For a modestly priced stage piano, this is quite a lot of control. Maybe if I can dial in enough of the kind of sound I like I'll hang onto it for a while...


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756680
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Originally Posted by voxpops
For a modestly priced stage piano, this is quite a lot of control. Maybe if I can dial in enough of the kind of sound I like I'll hang onto it for a while...

Could you max out the (pedal) sympathetic resonance and give us your impressions of the sound (when holding the pedal down of course)?

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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by voxpops
For a modestly priced stage piano, this is quite a lot of control. Maybe if I can dial in enough of the kind of sound I like I'll hang onto it for a while...

Could you max out the (pedal) sympathetic resonance and give us your impressions of the sound (when holding the pedal down of course)?

Gets less realistic when maxed out. At the default level you get the illusion of individual strings ringing out; at max, it all kind of blurs into one sound. Kind of what you'd expect, really.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756719
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OK, so far I'm finding that setting the voicing to "mellow 2" and decay to +3 helps a lot in making the sound less brittle. It still gets very bright at higher velocities, but the lower velocities seem more naturally muted.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756781
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Likewise with the EPs. I can get a more beat-up Rhodes sound by increasing the note-off level, and delay it's timing a little. Increasing the high eq on the drive also helps to make the Rhodes sound less wooly and more defined.

I'm actually beginning to like this board now...


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756783
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voxpops, have you applied the latest software update I sent you?

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Originally Posted by voxpops
Correction,

The end cheeks ARE wood. They just managed to do a convincing impression of being plastic!


I had this same impression when I first received my MP6, that the marketing of wood ends was wrong. I am fairly well-versed in cabinetry, furniture-making and finishing wood, and the ends were so baby-smooth, they fooled me -- perhaps doing a job of finishing so well, they felt synthetic.

If you find some favorite settings, I'd be interested in hearing them.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
voxpops, have you applied the latest software update I sent you?

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Not yet, James. I was going to do it once I'd got the keys fixed and the case screwed down again. I'm still one key short, and so I don't want to connect to the computer until I've put everything back together.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: voxpops] #1756790
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I see.

However, you don't need to hook it up to a computer - just copy the update files to a USB flash drive, then plug the USB into the MP6, holding down three buttons while powering on.

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Originally Posted by Scooby Hoo
If you find some favorite settings, I'd be interested in hearing them.

So far I've only done preliminary tweaking. However, for me, on the concert grand, I prefer setting it to mellow 2, +3 for decay, and 6 for damper resonance.

I haven't got any proper settings for the Rhodes yet, but I liked it better when I increased the note-off to 10, set note-off delay to 2, and set drive hi-eq to 127.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: Kawai James] #1756793
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I see.

However, you don't need to hook it up to a computer - just copy the update files to a USB flash drive, then plug the USB into the MP6, holding down three buttons while powering on.

Cheers,
James
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Oh yes, I remember you saying that in your PM. I'll give it a shot and let you know the results.


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Re: Kawai MP6 first impressions [Re: Kawai James] #1756800
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
voxpops, have you applied the latest software update I sent you?

Yea, yea, do the software update! What could go possibly wrong? wink

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Originally Posted by voxpops
Gets less realistic when maxed out. At the default level you get the illusion of individual strings ringing out; at max, it all kind of blurs into one sound. Kind of what you'd expect, really.

Thanks! So does it sound like crap (e.g. fake jangly reverb) turned up, or like super resonant strings?

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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by voxpops
Gets less realistic when maxed out. At the default level you get the illusion of individual strings ringing out; at max, it all kind of blurs into one sound. Kind of what you'd expect, really.

Thanks! So does it sound like crap (e.g. fake jangly reverb) turned up, or like super resonant strings?

Sounds rather mushy. Not jangly or super resonant, but ill-defined - and you lose that sense of wobbly decay as the sounds fade.

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