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Restart: Which digital piano is most like an acoustic piano?
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... For a student to learn on? I think I should have started with this question before I began my search or looked any the different brands.

Thanks of your helpful advice!

p.s. I looked at the Kawai DPs today - the CN series and I do like the tone a lot!

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You have three choices:

1. The Yamaha AvantGrands. laugh
2. Kawai CA-93
3. Roland V-Piano


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musicali #1751449 09/12/11 04:27 PM
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Agree with Zachary to some degree, but they're bordering on a price that overlaps decent, possibly upright, acoustics.

So what's your budget, and why a DP?

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A DP because Hubby works from home and needs peace and quiet. A grand is not an option since we don't have the room.

Budget - well, I prefer under $3500, but for a really good one that will last a good while, I'm willing to spend up to $5000 (with tax).

Also thinking an ensemble piano is the way to go for other family members to enjoy (fun and educational factor - LCD/LED screen, music notation software built-in, like insert MIDI song and musical notes appear on screen to play along). But not at the expense of lesser action/feel/touch since it's important for son to learn good technique.


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musicali #1751566 09/12/11 08:52 PM
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If you're looking for an ensemble instrument with a large LCD display, a Clavinova CVP (CVP-509, for example) is the best option.

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Thanks. I can't afford the CVP 509, or even the 505 (unless very heavily discounted). The CVP 503 is more in my price range ($4500?) - still a good choice?

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
If you're looking for an ensemble instrument with a large LCD display, a Clavinova CVP (CVP-509, for example) is the best option.

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Given the slow progress of the technology in these models (combined with their very good quality overall), a Used predecessor to the CVP-509 would also be a good option and more likely within your budget.


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Re: Restart: Which digital piano is most like an acoustic piano?
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maybe the roland hp307 with your budget?

http://www.roland.com/products/en/HP307/

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musicali #1751678 09/13/11 01:28 AM
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SnowTown, possibly, however this model does not feature ensemble functions, nor a large LCD that can display notated scores.

In this sense, it's the equivalent to a Yamaha CLP or Kawai CA.

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If you prefer the all-in-one solution you can also look at Roland's HPi-7F or HPi-6F, besides the already mentioned models...

But why not go with a small notebook or even better a tablet option for the "ensemble" fucntionality (not sure about Android, but there are many sheet music readers and players for iPad)...

That way you can get the best DP for your budget in terms of action/sound/etc and have a more flexible "music reader/entertainment" system... just a thought.

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Kwai mp8 is the best for 1200/1500 €

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Originally Posted by safari70
If you prefer the all-in-one solution you can also look at Roland's HPi-7F or HPi-6F, besides the already mentioned models...

But why not go with a small notebook or even better a tablet option for the "ensemble" fucntionality (not sure about Android, but there are many sheet music readers and players for iPad)...

That way you can get the best DP for your budget in terms of action/sound/etc and have a more flexible "music reader/entertainment" system... just a thought.


I've heard this can be done. But how do I set it up? Will it work just as if I had one of the ensemble pianos with built-in educational/music notation software?

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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Originally Posted by Kawai James
If you're looking for an ensemble instrument with a large LCD display, a Clavinova CVP (CVP-509, for example) is the best option.

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Given the slow progress of the technology in these models (combined with their very good quality overall), a Used predecessor to the CVP-509 would also be a good option and more likely within your budget.


Do you mean like a CVP 409 or 309 (if one exists)? What about a 405?

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If you'd be willing to spend $5000 with tax, I would strongly recommend the Kawai CA63 and CA93, the Roland HP307, and Yamaha CLP400 series pianos. All great sounding and playing.


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Originally Posted by musicali
Originally Posted by safari70
If you prefer the all-in-one solution you can also look at Roland's HPi-7F or HPi-6F, besides the already mentioned models...

But why not go with a small notebook or even better a tablet option for the "ensemble" fucntionality (not sure about Android, but there are many sheet music readers and players for iPad)...

That way you can get the best DP for your budget in terms of action/sound/etc and have a more flexible "music reader/entertainment" system... just a thought.


I've heard this can be done. But how do I set it up? Will it work just as if I had one of the ensemble pianos with built-in educational/music notation software?

If you can find your way around computers and can install a program or two, this probably won't be much harder than the sometimes cryptic interface of complex instruments like the CVPs. And for every function the CVP has, there's probably several choices to accomplish the same on a PC.

However, there won't be one program that does it all, so you'll have different programs for the different tasks (ensemble playing, realistic piano sound, learning software, ...)

The basic setup is very simple, you connect the piano to the PC with a standard USB cable, and the piano transmits any notes and pedals you press in a format called MIDI. The programs on your computer will interpret this MIDI signal and turn it into sound which you then either output to your headphones, or route back to the digital piano speakers with a simple Y audio cable.

Bottom line, I'd say laptop + "regular DP" gives you better results in any of those areas, and at a lower price than a new CVP, but you'll need more time to get there (installation, finding the best programs, learning to use those programs, etc).

Also, with a laptop you'll likely have some "startup delay" each time you sit down in order to turn everything on, so if you see yourself doing lots of small 15-minute sessions, that's another drawback.

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Probably the most attractive feature of the ensemble pianos to me (right now) is the learn to play feature, where you can plug in MIDI songs via USB and the notes come up on the screen and you can learn to play the song that way. What's the simplest set up to achieve this with a laptop/iPad connected to the keyboard? And would it be in real time, like in the CVP with the built-in software and LCD screen?

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Well that's the thing with a computer/iPad setup:
I don't think there's a simple one-stop solution for what you want... After my post above i did a quick search and found many apps that do something close to the "ensemble" DP but they are not quite there or are not straight forward to set up and use...

So yes you get the extra flexibility, but it takes time to do the research, figure out what works for you, and then get it to actually work consistently and seamlessly whenever you want to use it...

If you just want to sit down and play without worrying about all that extra stuff you might actually be better off with one of the ensemble DPs...

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Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
If you'd be willing to spend $5000 with tax, I would strongly recommend the Kawai CA63 and CA93, the Roland HP307, and Yamaha CLP400 series pianos. All great sounding and playing.


Do any of these have a learn to play feature? Don't need follow the lights, but a screen showing which notes to press is good.

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Do any of these have a learn to play feature? Don't need follow the lights, but a screen showing which notes to press is good.


As someone who's also learning how to play, I'm not sure I see that as an all that useful feature. You may learn how to platy a song a little faster, but you're going to hurt your growth learning how to read music.

Honestly, I spend 50 times more time playing the same song over and over than I did reading the music to learn what notes to play. It will save you a few minutes a song, but you're going to be playing the same thing over and over again for hours.

Do you really want to pay a premium or limit your options for a feature that isn't going to give you a big return on that investment?

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