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Roland FP-7F and Kawai MP-6 impressions...
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I tried those 2 boards yesterday and here is my impression FWIW (no technical comparison, just my personal opinion):

FP-7F: Generally i agree with all the positive feedback about this DP... it might not have the most authentic GP action, but it's very enjoyable and somehow feels natural to play with very good connection and control over the sound.

Playing the FP-7F's SN Piano felt like being in a "comfort zone" where all the different parts just worked well enough to produce a very pleasant 'whole'.

The major drawback is that i didn't really care for any of the other sounds (mainly EPs) nor the other features like looper, harmonizer, etc... So it's excellent if you're only interested in playing one SN Grand Piano patch (which can be nicely tweaked using the piano designer).


Kawai MP-6: There's a lot to like about the MP-6, the Ivory-like touch is very nice, action is decent, and the main Piano sound is.... well, playing single notes the sound is excellent with nice body and character... the problem i had was one playing chords. Not sure how to explain it but somehow the sound "fused" together and each note wasn't as distinct as i would have liked. Using the damper pedal just adds to that effect in an unnatural way... There might a setting that could be tweaked to change this characteristic (specially damper) but i didn't have more time to spend on it so not sure.

Anyway, it's just my opinion and i'm sure others might actually like the MP-6... It's not for me, but it does have a character that made very interested to try the MP-10 now....

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My ideal stage piano might be the action (and built-in speakers) of the FP-7F with the the piano sound of the MP10. While we're at it, throw in the controller functions of the MP6. But even if this minotaur existed, I'm sure it would still be too heavy for me to cart around!

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Interesting observations and thanks for sharing. The FP-7F and MP6, to me anyway, offer the best overall value at or below $2,000. They're both superb boards, albeit for slightly different markets.


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It's been awhile since I played both Kawais, but from what I recall, the MP6's pianos sounded a bit more harsh and digital then the MP10. No qualms about the action on the 6 though.


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I'm curious... I realize they're not apples-to-apples DPs, but any thoughts on how Korg's SV-1 stacks up to Kawai's MP6? I'm talking sounds more than anything. The AP sounds on the SV-1 aren't bad, but the way they relate to the RH3 action can be jarring and pulling off anything like dynamic subtlety a real trick. The progression from soft to full-on "twang" is shallow enough on the SV-1 to cause problems--with or without the touch setting at "hardest"--if you're attempting, perhaps misguidedly, to play something classical on the thing.

The MP10, by comparison, is much more Pianoteq-like in its progression through the full range of key-strike motion, from soft to loud/harsh.

Any thoughts (from those who've played both) on how the MP6 compares? I laid hands on an MP6 last week and mucked with the action for a few minutes, but the board wasn't plugged in, and since I was shopping for the MP10, I didn't ask to hear it. But I admired its relatively heavy AP-angled action a lot more than Korg's RH3, and I'm thinking of swapping my SV-1 out for one, for gigs, and so I have a totable practice board when traveling. I'm not looking for Ivory sounds here (for that, my MP10, or just Ivory II itself), but I want to know if I'd be trading down in terms of AP (and perhaps EP) sounds contrasted with the SV-1's (the organ sounds notwithstanding).

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I've played both and for acoustic piano playing, there's no contest between the MP6 and the SV-1. The MP6 is far superior in terms of action and AP sound. The story changes when talking about EPs. The SV-1 73 is pretty stellar (actually it's on my 'if-only-money-weren't-an-option list of boards to own) as a Rhodes/Wurlitzer deal, although the new EPs in the Kawais have been getting rave reviews. I'd say play them and decide.


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For anyone considering the SV-1, I'd say the Numa Piano is also worth a look (if you can find one!). I think the AP sounds on the Numa are slightly better than the SV-1 and the Numa's Rhodes implementation is not too far behind the SV-1. The SV wins in terms of real-time control and tube distortion. The Numa is lighter and has pitch bend/mod wheels and good MIDI controller functions.

I totally agree with those that think the FP-7F is really a one-trick pony - but it does that one trick very, very well, IMO. If you're looking for a reasonably lightweight AP alternative, I don't think you need to look too much further than the FP.

The MP6 is much more of a stage alternative. I should have a beat-up one to check out soon. I know what most of the additional sounds are like as I had an MP5 for a few months. There are some quite nice Rompler sounds and MIDI control is good. Whether the acoustic piano sounds can be a match for the FP I have yet to discover. But it won't be hard for the Kawai to beat the Roland as far as EPs are concerned!


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Originally Posted by voxpops

The MP6 is much more of a stage alternative. I should have a beat-up one to check out soon.

Music123 cancelled my order! So no MP6 for me. It's a shame, but just as well really, as I would have found that purchase tough to justify!


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Why did they cancel VP?


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Why did they cancel VP?

They said that they no longer had any damaged MP6s in stock. I just checked, and they have removed the ad from their site. I expect it got ordered by more than one person.

I was a bit surprised that I had no communication from them for days. I had to contact them to find out what had happened to my order.

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Vox, what gear do you use for gigging? I would think the Numa Piano/Organ?


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Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
Vox, what gear do you use for gigging? I would think the Numa Piano/Organ?

Yes, I am gearing up to use the two Numas, once my replacement Numa Piano arrives. (It crashed on me again during rehearsal this evening.) Otherwise I will use the Roland FP-4 plus the Numa Organ. My in-home band practice rig is currently the FP-4 and Kurzweil SP4-7, with the FP-7F for serious piano practice.

I usually add the Plugiator on top of the Numa Organ for the very occasional lead synth sound.


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The MP6 is much more of a stage alternative. I should have a beat-up one to check out soon.

Music123 cancelled my order! So no MP6 for me. It's a shame, but just as well really, as I would have found that purchase tough to justify!

Now they tell me they've shipped the MP6. I don't know what's going on!!!


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So you are getting an MP6? That's exciting man. Those are fantastic boards. I really think Kawai hit a serious homerun with that one.


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I'm more (certainly than less) convinced the MP6 is the totable board for me. I need the heavier RH action, so "totable" for me equals "under 50 lbs.," though when you pack the SV-1 88-key into the Korg bag with the Korg keyboard stand, pedals, music stand, and cables, it's a beast to haul up/down stairs.

Speaking of my SV-1, I'm assuming it's permissible to do this here:

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Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
So you are getting an MP6? That's exciting man. Those are fantastic boards. I really think Kawai hit a serious homerun with that one.

It's going to be fun getting to know the Kawai. Sounds like I'm going to have to do a little repair work on the keys, first.

BTW. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to hide an MP6? 3 months of invisibility should do it. wink


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You mean from your wife?

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
You mean from your wife?

"Oh no, that's not mine darling - it belongs to a friend, but it got bashed-up after a gig, so I offered to fix it for him."

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Perfect, James! That is devilishly devious!!

(I can say that I was acting on your instructions, if things start unraveling, can't I?)


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Originally Posted by rnaple
BTW. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to hide an MP6? 3 months of invisibility should do it. wink
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Just place it in the middle of that long list of keyboards you got. Trust me. She'll never notice...

Another fiendish solution!

Oh wait, but what do I do with the box?


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