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that the people using sample libraries still use notation programs and still use real orchestras. Well professionals anyways.

the reason it was hard to explain is that there are different ways people do things. There are production companies were the main composer has a rather large team and the guy doing the mock ups is getting the score from the orchestrator who converted the composers sketch into a full length and orchestrated cue.

Sample libraries don't always replace orchestras despite being used in a project. It does depend on budget and trends also change on the particular industry niche.

Slightly better. But only slightly :-)

MadforBrad: Yes, and I agree. But Vi stands for Virtual Instrument, so regarldess of what you say, usually in that forum the Insturments get discussed (and ditched), not the notation. In fact I've very rarely seen scores in there (except my own perhaps). I'm a purist when it comes to notation: I still work with pencil and paper, but I do see the point in vi: It's a huge world, that where people use samples. When the budgets go further up and you have a chance to do a real orchestra, you are also bound by an NDA! Thus very few recordings of real orchestras and scores get online, as opposed to smaller budget stuff, where samples are used and things are much looser.

But you will usually find people that can answer any question regarding motatio programs on there rather than the sibelius forum.

The best place to go is probably the Vsl forums.

The Sibelius forum is a quite unusual place. Several experienced users vie with each other to answer questions - it is quite unusual to not get a (usually accurate and helpful) response within the hour, day or night! And Daniel Spreadbury, the Sibelius Product Manager is in seemingly constant attendence.

This level of support is a major factor in favour of using Sibelius.

yup. a few users then a mass of beginners asking silly questions that would not need to be asked if people were more independent.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Furthermore I don't see the point of bringing up a forum owned by a company rather than an independent one, or the Sibelius forum. ???

If you have a question about music, as it relates to notation (or even not) the mail-list
sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com
is a useful place. For more technical Sibelius-related stuff,
http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?groupid=3
is the ONLY place to be.

But don't take my word for it. Post your problems or thoughts at them, and at Vsl. Compare results.

one forum ie the vsl forum has about a 80 / 20 professional rate where as sibelius forums are full of beginners. The people on the vsl and vi forums actually work in the industry and tend to know a lot more. I'm sure there is a few on the sibelius forum but my experience is that the forum is flooded with silly questions from beginners that don't have the patience to do a google search .