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Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173573
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My daughter in law is interested in purchasing a Yamaha U3. She is a classically trained pianist. I am NOT a pianist, but heard a friend try out several different brands and styles, including a Brodmann BG and upright. I was impressed at the quality of the sound of the Brodmann. Need help and advise! My son and his wife will be moving several times over the 10 years, if that is an issue. I think their price range is $10-16K. Thank for anyone's inputt! Also, thoughts on upright vs. baby grand?!
thanks,
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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173574
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Sorry for being so upfront, but personally I believe that spending 10-16k on an *upright* in today's market - except in very rare circumstances - is plain nuts.

[Sorry for those feeling offended... shocked ]

Anybody ever hoping to sell such piano in the future will lick his/her wounds....

The market has WAY TOO MANY other options in decent and even excellent GRANDS available, increasingly in that particular price range - Brodmann just being one of them.

Search your options and if you are perhaps gravitating towards a 5'4 Brodmann, a piano with high end German Strunz soundboard and top Able hammers, I won't blame you: we are frequently sold out of exactly that particular, quite amazing model.

http://www.brodmann-pianos.at/grand_piano_1620.html

Biased and shameleessly promoting dealer. shocked

In your very best, own interest.....

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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173575
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nancyc :

Welcome to the Forum!

The Yamaha U3 is certainly a fine upright piano, and would probably serve the needs of many a classically trained pianist, although that could well depend how extensive the training was. how advanced the future repertoire is likely to be and the pianist's preference for a grand action.

Generally speaking, however, the action of a grand is preferred by pianists over that of an upright.

There appear to be six Brodmann BG grands, from their 4'11" "baby" grande to a 9 foot concert grand. Given that a Brodmann BG150 and a Yamaha U3 list for about the same price, I think that a serious classical musician just might opt for the Yamaha U3 over the Broadman BG150 (4'11"), as the latter could possibly exhibit some scale and tonal deficiencies. Most grands under 5-1/2 feet are usually engineering/design compromises in one way or another. A larger Brodmann may be a serious contender for the Yamaha U3, but would inevitably cost more.

The Brodmann verticals are manufactured in two different series: BU series (Fine listing) from $5100.00 to $8500.00, made in Germany by the manufacturer of Wilh.Steinberg pianos; the "European Premium Verticals" made in Vienna, listed around $15,000.00.

I have not played a Brodmann, but from what I have read, Brodmanns seem to be viewed with some favour; you might want to read what Larry Fine says about them in the 2007-2008 Supplement to The Piano Book.

As far as moving is concerned, any reputable piano mover can safely move a grand or an upright. If one relies on furniture/household movers, I would rather have most (those who do not specialize in handling pianos) move an upright rather than entrust my grand to them.

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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173576
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I am a bigger fan of new Yamaha U series uprights than many on these forums. I consider them to be excellent designs and very reliable, as well as about the only upright I recommend when I have no idea who the dealer is and how the piano will be prepped and serviced.

With that being said, the Brodmann uprights are beautifully designed with quite a different sound from the Yamahas, and you get a lot of piano for the money.

Of course, as a Brodmann dealer I am biased, and feel you should strongly consider them. I also agree with Norbert, that if your budget is 10-16k, you should be thinking about a baby grand, such as the Brodmann 162 ( 5'4" ).


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173577
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Bruce:

Your point is well taken but, as a dealer, I would never offer a 4'11" grand to someone comparing this piano to someone else's top upright.

What I am saying is, that one can in today's market easily match or beat any Japanese top upright pricewise with a grand of clearly superior tone,touch and overall quality, such as will the Brodmann 5'4 grand.

The days of extravagently or excessively expensive uprights IMHO are numbered and a whole new generation of interesting and often superior product has hit or is hitting the market as we speak.

The stakes are higher for all of us - the consumer is the huge winner here!

We even see the occasional tear by those visiting us AFTER they have purchased such or similiar uprights from someone else out there before.

It does happen.

Norbert shocked


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173578
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The Brodmann verticals are manufactured in two different series: BU series (Fine listing) from $5100.00 to $8500.00, made in Germany by the manufacturer of Wilh.Steinberg pianos; the "European Premium Verticals" made in Vienna, listed around $15,000.00.
Can anyone else confirm this? My understanding of the manufacturing source of available Brodmann verticals is quite different.....China with the tallest upright model produced in Brodmann's own Chinese grand factory and the shorter ones built in another Chinese factory on a contract basis.


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173579
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In your price range I would continue to shop.

There are many alternatives.


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173580
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The Brodmann verticals are manufactured in two different series: BU series (Fine listing) from $5100.00 to $8500.00, made in Germany by the manufacturer of Wilh.Steinberg pianos; the "European Premium Verticals" made in Vienna, listed around $15,000.00.
This is true but none of the pianos have arrived as of yet. The major focus and interest appears to be right now on the new grands actually being made in Vienna and being shipped here as we speak.

At this time,we have already pre-sold 2 of these:

http://www.brodmann-pianos.at/365.html

And one of these:

http://www.brodmann-pianos.at/363.html

Norbert


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173581
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Hi Norbert,

So does this mean that the Brodmann verticals from China are being discontinued?


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173582
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Norbert,

I bought an upright due to space and no other reason. I simply can't have a grand as I don't have the room.

Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173583
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Originally posted by Norbert:
The days of extravagently or excessively expensive uprights IMHO are numbered and a whole new generation of interesting and often superior product has hit or is hitting the market as we speak.
Hey Norbert,
Aren't you the owner of a 49" Sauter upright? :rolleyes:

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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173584
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We even see the occasional tear by those visiting us AFTER they have purchased such or similiar uprights from someone else out there before.
Please direct these visitors with tear-stained cheeks to me for consideration of a private-party transaction (since you will obviously have no interest in their pianos as trade-ins). Same holds true for your Sauter Vista. I guess terminaldegree gets first dibs on that one, but I want to be second in line. laugh


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173585
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Originally posted by Norbert:
Bruce:

Your point is well taken but, as a dealer, I would never offer a 4'11" grand to someone comparing this piano to someone else's top upright.

What I am saying is, that one can in today's market easily match or beat any Japanese top upright pricewise with a grand of clearly superior tone,touch and overall quality, such as will the Brodmann 5'4 grand.

Norbert :

I would not presume to stack my non-professional opinion against that of a reputable, experienced dealer in pianos. What I was trying to do was to give a considered, but admittedly amateur, opinion on the two options suggested by the poster: a Yamaha U3 and a Brodman grand or upright.

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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173586
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Bruce:

Thank you - not at all - always respect and highly value your input here!!

You're a total class act on this Forum! thumb

When you gonna come over and visit?

[Estonian chocolates, beer...?]

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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173587
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Many high end uprights are sold to those that have million dollar condos in our region.

Many rather have true quality and can not fit a grand.


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Re: Yamaha vs. Brodmann #173588
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From Norbert:
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The major focus and interest appears to be right now on the new grands actually being made in Vienna and being shipped here as we speak.
Could there be a confusion here?
The two links in the post below the above quotation refer to grand pianos of the 'Special Edition line'.

Brodmann recently announced on it's website the new 'Vienna Edition' line to be 'made in Vienna' and available
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In the second half of this year
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http://www.brodmann-pianos.at/brodmann_pianos.html

Nowhere can I read the Special Edition grands are manufactured in Vienna. In fact this line was on Brodmann's website before they anounced the 'Vienna Edition' line; the sizes (170, 190, 275) of the three grands this line will contain are also different from the current sizes. The two 'Special Edition' grands are 187/162 models though.

schwammerl.

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Originally posted by nancyc:

My daughter in law is interested in purchasing a Yamaha U3. She is a classically trained pianist. I am NOT a pianist, but heard a friend try out several different brands and styles, including a Brodmann BG and upright. I was impressed at the quality of the sound of the Brodmann. Need help and advise! My son and his wife will be moving several times over the 10 years, if that is an issue. I think their price range is $10-16K. Thank for anyone's inputt! Also, thoughts on upright vs. baby grand?!
thanks,
happy mother-in-law
Unless they will be spending "your money," I'd say just let the pianist choose the piano for herself. smile

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Originally posted by Axtremus:
Unless they will be spending "your money," I'd say just let the pianist choose the piano for herself. smile
Ah! Concise and irrefutable logic amidst our (my?) verbiage. Thank you, Axtremus!

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Good evening piano enthusiasts,
Thank you for all your feedback. Lots of ideas and much to think about. And yes, it will be our daughter in law's decision. No matter what she chooses I will look forward to our first concert!
thanks,
nancyc

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would they consider used? if so, you can pick up a yamaha or kawai that's +/- 10 years old all day long in that price range. i think that's the best route for them to go---may take more effort to find one, but certainly worth it in the end!


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