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Back in the old days, before the forum software change, you could go back and edit/delete former posts whenever you wanted. A prominent and valued member of the forum decided to leave (long story, not worth rehashing), and he went back and deleted most of his posts. It made a mess of a lot of threads! So I'm in favor of the new system that puts a time limit, though I wish it were more like 48 hours.
What is the time limit now? It seems to be at least 24 hours.
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Hello Pogo, I am fairly new and appreciate everyone's post. Your posts are very good and insightful! I can understand your concern, though. But, I would not fret or worry. I had great advice from a teacher in college awhile back. "Try to always include something positive and encouraging when correcting students' mistakes and errors and/or making general comments." I think it was very good advice. I don't think one can ever have too much encouragement and support. I am enjoying Piano World posts. Everyone seems very supportive and I appreciate all the comments. I hope I can support everyone here in some small way. I am learning a lot in the forum! I enjoy the music and learning about pianists, performances, and what everyone is practicing and listening. Best wishes Pogo.
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"Try to always include something positive and encouraging when correcting students' mistakes and errors and/or making general comments." I have heard this advice somewhere before also. Unfortunately, being a student myself, after thinking about this advice it came to the point that i didn't really take notice of any compliments as i felt they were probably forced just to make me feel better.
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It's not like people often dig up old old threads and read them - they usually look at recent stuff. Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads...especially the ones that discuss technique or pianos. When I was looking to buy a new piano I scoured old discussions about different high end pianos, how people tested pianos, how they negotiated deals. There's an old thread by Kreisler on the left hand of the Pathetique which I've read...except I'm mad at him because the exercises that are supposed to be in there can no longer be found. In a way, this forum is almost like a Wiki. Together we are creating a treasure trove of misinformation. That's why I believe in preserving the integrity of the discussions.
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I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems to me that it's up to Pogorelich to assess her risk/exposure, and not for others to tell her not to worry. As to whether it's fair to the other forumites, etc., well, that is a valid point of discussion. FWIW, I do know that when I deleted my Facebook account, all my posts magically went away.
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Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads...especially the ones that discuss technique or pianos.... In a way, this forum is almost like a Wiki. Together we are creating a treasure trove of misinformation..... I think that's completely right. I've also been on forums where people can delete their posts at any time. ("Edit," not necessarily; I think every place had a time limit on that.) But this site is the kind of reference that Jazzy described to a much greater extent than those other sites.
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I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad.
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Then we've gotta keep that one!
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Then we've gotta keep that one! The beauty of it is, she probably wouldn't know what post that was even if she were looking right at it. Because I didn't really get mad....I just sort of whined.
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I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad. Really? PS: Luckily it is too cold now to post in the middle of the night. I stay in bed even if I cannot sleep.
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I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad. Really? PS: Luckily it is too cold now to post in the middle of the night. I stay in bed even if I cannot sleep. Sometimes I forget that while we're having our summer in North America, the good folks down under are having their winter !!! Wish I could say that it was too cold here to post in the middle of the night...but that only happens when I turn the air conditioning down really low. And yes - I do wish we had more time to "edit" our posts.
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Australia's winters aren't too bad compared to ours. Still, I'm glad it's summer here.
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Removing selected posts changes threads. If someone is having a thread conversation and half the conversation suddenly disappears, the other poster's writing is suddenly nonsensical. If you start allowing people to remove their own posts selectively, shouldn't you also notify everyone else whose posts now are left dangling so that they too can choose whether or not to have their own posts removed? Mucking with history, even internet history, is complicated. How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add. Once the words appear at this site, who owns them? Can the moderators come in and edit posts and not then make no mention of those edits? If someone wants to delete their own words, that's their right in my book. I'm guessing the owner of this site makes around $125 (or more) or so each and every day from ad clicks. We're donating our time, and in some cases, expensive time, for free. I think the playing field should be made as level as possible considering some donate time and others profit from that time. (Will this post be deleted, will this thread be locked? ... stay tuned... )
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Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads... I often keep my own copy of my posts, particularly those that are fairly complicated, or took a long time to write. When the same topics come up, I often recycle them, with the preface that my post is a rewrite of something I posted some time ago. Tomasino
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Removing selected posts changes threads. If someone is having a thread conversation and half the conversation suddenly disappears, the other poster's writing is suddenly nonsensical. If you start allowing people to remove their own posts selectively, shouldn't you also notify everyone else whose posts now are left dangling so that they too can choose whether or not to have their own posts removed? Mucking with history, even internet history, is complicated. How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add. Once the words appear at this site, who owns them? Can the moderators come in and edit posts and not then make no mention of those edits? If someone wants to delete their own words, that's their right in my book. I'm guessing the owner of this site makes around $125 (or more) or so each and every day from ad clicks. We're donating our time, and in some cases, expensive time, for free. I think the playing field should be made as level as possible considering some donate time and others profit from that time. (Will this post be deleted, will this thread be locked? ... stay tuned... ) Got to agree with you on this one Dave.
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How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add.... I don't think we have any idea even how to start thinking about that without knowing more -- particularly, what it was about the post that made him/them delete it. You're saying there was nothing 'offensive,' but presumably there was felt to be some issue.
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OK -- thanks for the details. That was hardly a routine series of posts and (pretty soon) had nothing to do with music or piano. Sounds like it was a 2-person digression that very arguably had no place on the site. I get your general point but I don't think it relates much to what we're mostly talking about....
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The philosophical aspects of this issue are interesting. However, in practice, I think the following two statements sum things up nicely: 1) Heavy editing my moderators could easily become very time consuming. Plus...if we exercised our editing ability often, people would gripe about being censored or having words put in their mouths. This is why I rarely edit, and on those occasions where I do, it's because I've been specifically asked, because there's a clear infraction of forum rules. And I always let things stand "Marked as edited." (In the interest of full disclosure, I have in the past edited my own posts to correct errors in grammar and spelling without marking them as being edited. It's a small perk I allow myself.) 2) Allowing users to edit freely would, I guarantee, result in people revising what they've said in an effort to make other people appear to be on the losing side of an argument and/or avoid punitive actions.
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