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Re: OT - accounts and posts
Pogorelich. #1731849 08/12/11 03:51 PM
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Hi,

I'm relatively new to PW, and haven't really communicated directly with you. So I guess I'm more or less a lurker smile

I have no advice for you, and I don't think I could improve on what's been said above anyway. I just wanted to chime in and tell you I've appreciated reading your posts here. Whatever you decide to do, thank you for speaking up in the manner you have!


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Pogorelich. #1731876 08/12/11 05:10 PM
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I think there are two separate questions here (at least).

One is the impact of posts on your career. I've struggled with this in the past myself. What I've come to believe through experience and observation (in fiction writing, my own field) is that people with strong personalities, who're state their opinion and don't 'make nice' in an intellectually dishonest way, actually tend to do better professionally.

Yes, you will alienate some people (you can't please everyone). At certain points in your life it may cost you if that person is a jury member or in charge of hiring or something. But I think you gain more than you lose. Most people will respect and admire a strong personality, even if they disagree with some of your views. It sure doesn't hurt building a popular career. A great musician is a wonderful thing, but a great musician who's also a fascinating character? That's the stuff that makes artists legendary.

(Of course, that's as long as you are genuine and don't take things to an excess. Coarse arguments, public drunkenness etc won't get you anywhere unless you're a name already, or trying to be a socialite/reality TV star. laugh but I don't think that's the problem here).

The other question is the impact of these online debates on your psychological well-being. That's something none of us will be able to help you figure out, I suspect. That's actually the main reason I personally hardly ever post, in any forums, on any topic. Often I'll actually write a post and delete it before clicking submit, because I don't want to get entangled in long arguments that might ruin my day and make me less productive. I think it's a perfectly fine reason to step away from posting, if that's what it takes.

(I'll end here, before I end up erasing this and not posting after all. . .)

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Pogorelich. #1731980 08/12/11 09:21 PM
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If a mod or admin reallllllly wanted to, I am sure they could manually delete all your posts. I'm not totally sure, though, and I'm not sure if they would want to do that. Or they could temporarily allow you the power to delete your own posts?

Idk. I'm just guessing, and even if they are possible, I don't know what it would take to actually achieve this or get permission to do so (if that's what it takes).

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
If a mod or admin reallllllly wanted to, I am sure they could manually delete all your posts. I'm not totally sure, though, and I'm not sure if they would want to do that. Or they could temporarily allow you the power to delete your own posts?

Idk. I'm just guessing, and even if they are possible, I don't know what it would take to actually achieve this or get permission to do so (if that's what it takes).


I think it would be an exercise in futility, anyway, since people's posts are frequently quoted in other posts, and they don't disappear if the original post is deleted.



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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
If a mod or admin reallllllly wanted to, I am sure they could manually delete all your posts. I'm not totally sure, though, and I'm not sure if they would want to do that. Or they could temporarily allow you the power to delete your own posts?

Idk. I'm just guessing, and even if they are possible, I don't know what it would take to actually achieve this or get permission to do so (if that's what it takes).


I think it would be an exercise in futility, anyway, since people's posts are frequently quoted in other posts, and they don't disappear if the original post is deleted.




Besides, I've saved all of her posts and videos in case she gets famous.

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
If a mod or admin reallllllly wanted to, I am sure they could manually delete all your posts. I'm not totally sure, though, and I'm not sure if they would want to do that. Or they could temporarily allow you the power to delete your own posts?


Pogo has over 3000 posts, Kreisler would need to give up a whole afternoon of golf to delete those! grin

If the forum software works as I think, Pogo would have to be granted temporary moderator status for her to manually remove the posts.

Whatever, I wish she would just take a break if need be (as suggested by apple*), and come back later. I adore Pogo -she has awesome spunk- and, if I may be so selfish, I'm always interested in what she has to say. Love you, dear!


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Pogorelich. #1732010 08/12/11 10:31 PM
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I would delete them all myself gladly, if the mods know how? I won't create any trouble I swear...



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Pogorelich. #1732013 08/12/11 10:32 PM
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One by one, hours and hours and hours??

Pogo, your instincts here are wrong. smile
You are inflating some danger in your mind.

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Pogorelich. #1732059 08/13/11 01:57 AM
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Are there any posts where it's obvious who you are? Maybe you could just ask to get all your recordings and any posts containing references to your school/name deleted. Then, simply change your log-in to a different name (in case any real-life people know your PW username and want to search you up). Bingo - almost no trail from RL Angelina to PW. I thought you were totally anonymous anyway. I would be sorry to see you go as well, but I understand what you mean. PW ceases to be fulfilling sometimes and I take breaks too. I am very careful to be completely anonymous on here, but of course some master hacker or something could figure out who I am. Don't bother trying though, the person behind this screen ain't that interesting. laugh

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Pogorelich. #1732173 08/13/11 09:35 AM
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I too, think it would be a shame to see you leave, Pogorelich.


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Mark_C #1732189 08/13/11 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
One by one, hours and hours and hours??

Pogo, your instincts here are wrong. smile
You are inflating some danger in your mind.


Absolutely. Pogo is a valued and respected PW member. I can't think of anything Pogo has posted in the past that she should be ashamed of, or would negatively impact her career. I would encourage Pogo to remain on PW (if she wishes to) and just be more selective about the discussions she chooses to enter into ...which includes simply avoiding dialog with the toxic personalities who pass through here from time to time.

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Pogorelich. #1732193 08/13/11 10:35 AM
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I'm quite the opposite to Pogo. I hold my name with my account and everybody knows who I am and with a single click can also see how I look! I do feel sometimes that I've posted the wrong thing, but usually I don't mind too much. I do try to act like I would do normally and if so there's nothing to be ashamed of.\

I also would hate it if you left Pogo! Editing your posts and deleting your posts would also prove that you changed your mind, but are ashamed of what you did before.

The one idea that I could provide would be to excersize restrain: Don't post too much and when the time comes and you're angry, write the post and either e-mail it to yourself, or just preview it for a loooong time, until you know it's right or wrong!

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Pogorelich. #1732200 08/13/11 10:47 AM
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If it is the fear of it affecting your career, you'd be better off deleting your facebook account. (not Pogo specific; I've not seen Pogo's facebook account)

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Pogorelich. #1732234 08/13/11 11:43 AM
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I'll keep the account for the sake of PMs I've been exchanging with people, because I don't want them gone, but I don't think I'm going to be posting much, especially for threads with poison.

RE facebook account, only a select few can actually see what I write there, or see any pictures for that - I also don't befriend "dangerous" people - it's actually much better for that stuff than PW, at least you can tweak the privacy settings =P



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Pogorelich. #1732235 08/13/11 11:44 AM
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So if there are any posts of mine that I want deleted, can I send them to someone and just delete those? (someone mentioned that earlier)



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Frozenicicles #1732243 08/13/11 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Frozenicicles
Are there any posts where it's obvious who you are? Maybe you could just ask to get all your recordings and any posts containing references to your school/name deleted.


This is something we've done. Pogo asked me to remove a few specific posts and I did. Then I did a search on the forums for Pogo's real name and found (and deleted) a few other identifying posts. As it stands, it would take a tremendous amount of work for someone to discover her identity starting here.

The bigger danger is if she were "outed" by someone she knew in RL. I don't think it's likely, but it is possible.

I know all of this sounds a bit odd to many people, but unfortunately, I think Pogo's fears are somewhat justified. The piano community is a somewhat small one and relies very heavily on word-of-mouth for academic jobs, festival gigs, and other professional activities.

Also, we occasionally forget how visible Piano World is sometimes. Frank has done a wonderful job getting us listed on search results. All one has to do is Google "yuja wang dress" and one of our recent threads is the 5th link on the first page.


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Kreisler #1732246 08/13/11 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kreisler
Also, we occasionally forget how visible Piano World is sometimes. Frank has done a wonderful job getting us listed on search results. All one has to do is Google "yuja wang dress" and one of our recent threads is the 5th link on the first page.


Haha, not the best thread to advertise pianoworld, i fear!


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Originally Posted by Kreisler
Also, we occasionally forget how visible Piano World is sometimes. Frank has done a wonderful job getting us listed on search results. All one has to do is Google "yuja wang dress" and one of our recent threads is the 5th link on the first page.


Exactly why I'm concerned. I've been found before, through those posts I asked Kreisler to delete (which are now gone), and it was worse because I used to have a link to my piano blog (which a picture of me and a link to my website and everything), which I've deleted now...

Kreisler, can I go through some of my posts and send you links with posts that I'd want gone? If it's not too much hassle.. otherwise, I guess I can live with it..



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Pogorelich. #1732256 08/13/11 12:08 PM
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I just thought of something - would it be easier if I "notify" my own posts that I want gone?



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Pogorelich. #1732263 08/13/11 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I just thought of something - would it be easier if I "notify" my own posts that I want gone?

Yes.


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