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#1722541 - 07/28/11 04:37 PM Bach Arpeggio - Help!  
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It's me, yet again lol!

In my quest to learn piano theory, I've taken a small section of Bach's Jesu, Joy of man's desiring, from wiki...

[Linked Image]

I'm failing to properly understand the description given above.

I see it as (if the sets of three notes were chords):

G,B,D - G MAJOR
B,D,G - G MAJOR 1ST INVERSION
G,B,D - G MAJOR
B,D,F - B MAJOR DIMINISHED (?)
G,B,D - G MAJOR
A,C,E - A MINOR
F#, A, C - F# DIMINISHED (?)
G,B,D - G MAJOR
E,G,B - E MINOR
F#, A, C - F# DIMINISHED (?)
D, F, A - D MINOR

Can anyone shed any light on this for me, thank you in advance smile

(some of you may need your glasses for this one, didn't realise how small the writing was on the pic!


Last edited by wayne32yrs; 07/28/11 04:39 PM. Reason: even i was squinting (slightly)
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#1722571 - 07/28/11 06:00 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Here's how I interpreted it:

G: GBDGDB
G7: GBDFDB GBD
Am: ECA
D7/F#dim: F#AC
G: DBG
Em: EGB
D7: CAF#DF#A


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#1722579 - 07/28/11 06:24 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Hi Wayne,

A quest! smile

First thing:

Originally Posted by wayne32yrs
(if the sets of three notes were chords):



Er, don't do that. Look instead for a chord idea through a bar, failing that, a beat.

First bar: GBD = G major.

Second, lighten up about inversions. Think a bit looser. It's G maj. Who cares what inversion? Sure, if you're playing it, you need to play the right notes. But for understanding the harmony, that's all fluff.

HTH a bit. Bear this in mind, take another look at it and see whatcha get. smile

#1722589 - 07/28/11 06:57 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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I got this:

Bar 1: G Major (root & 1st inversion)
Bar 2: G7
Bar 3: G Major, A minor
Bar 4: D7 (despite D being omitted), G Major
Bar 5: E minor, D7 (again, D omitted)
Bar 6: D Major (may be D7 if the next group of 3 notes has a C in it)

If written with the F# in the key signature (as would be typical of a piece in the key of G Major), we get this chord progression: I, I7, I, ii, V7, I, vi, V7, V or V7 (depending on what comes next)

Except for adding the seventh to the I chord, these are all scale chords for the G Major scale.



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#1722592 - 07/28/11 07:01 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Thank u Colin smile

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#1723109 - 07/29/11 03:23 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: Colin Dunn]  
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Originally Posted by Colin Dunn
Bar 6: D Major (may be D7 if the next group of 3 notes has a C in it)



If you notice, in Bar 6, the F is not written F#, so is this D minor?

When I play this passage repeatedly, it does sound better playing F#.

I think I'd better find the complete piece and take a look at that.

#1723122 - 07/29/11 03:45 PM Re: Bach Arpeggio - Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Ahhhhhh.... all is clear now!

[Linked Image]

I imagine that the passage provided by wiki, is slightly inaccurate, this is the second time, consecutively, that this has happened to me, (or is it because I'm now taking more notice?)



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