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#1249566 - 08/14/09 11:17 PM Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New  
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Hi. I've been playing the piano for a year and a half and I recently got the Yamaha p155 for my birthday - love it by the way. I just looked at a thread that showed everybody's digital piano setup. All the setups had other big speakers ---are they called amplifiers?--- hooked up to their digital piano.

What would hooking up external speakers to my p155 do? Would it just make the sound louder or would it make it better? I mean, when I press certain notes down on the p155 the sound isn't always perfect; would external speakers make this better? Is that imperfect sound the fault of the p155's speakers? I know they are 16w. Will good headphones make the sound better? Thanks for helping a new player out.

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#1250253 - 08/16/09 10:29 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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#1250267 - 08/16/09 10:55 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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Originally Posted by AdamBrown
Hi. I've been playing the piano for a year and a half and I recently got the Yamaha p155 for my birthday - love it by the way. I just looked at a thread that showed everybody's digital piano setup. All the setups had other big speakers ---are they called amplifiers?--- hooked up to their digital piano.

What would hooking up external speakers to my p155 do? Would it just make the sound louder or would it make it better? I mean, when I press certain notes down on the p155 the sound isn't always perfect; would external speakers make this better? Is that imperfect sound the fault of the p155's speakers? I know they are 16w. Will good headphones make the sound better? Thanks for helping a new player out.


Hey. If you mainly want to amplify your keyboard in your home and not performing in live gigs or events, you want to hook up some quality studio monitors for the highest quality sound output. The 16 watt speakers are pretty good, but they really are not the best type to capture the dynamic range of digital pianos, highs, mids and bass.

I would look for monitors that have at least an 8-10 inch size speaker and a 1 inch tweeter. Here is a link to KRK. http://www.krksys.com/index.php

I bought 2 KRK Rokit 8 series that produce a great sound with my 2 Casio Privia keyboards. They are reasonably priced.

Yamaha HS 80M are great too, but much more expensive

* 8" white polypropylene cone
* 1" dome tweeter
* 120-watt biamplified power
* XLR and ¼" connectors
* Room control and frequency response switches

That's my advice. Go into a local music store and ask to listen to various monitors in the listening room. Good luck

katt

#1250282 - 08/16/09 11:37 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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I haven't done it yet, but I'm considering hooking my P155 up to my home stereo system. It's a pretty good component system with 5-speaker surround sound. I'm very happy with my DP and wouldn't consider spending much money on another amp/speakers. However, if I can improve on things with my existing system, why not?

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#1250305 - 08/16/09 12:51 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: Liber_Ouchy]  
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Originally Posted by Liber_Ouchy
I haven't done it yet, but I'm considering hooking my P155 up to my home stereo system. It's a pretty good component system with 5-speaker surround sound. I'm very happy with my DP and wouldn't consider spending much money on another amp/speakers. However, if I can improve on things with my existing system, why not?


Yes, many piano players that have quality home stereos can certainly hook up their digital pianos to the components and get acceptable results. If I had my old Fisher stereo system I had years ago with those great sounding 3 way walnut speakers, I would have gotten excellent results with my digital pianos. But that was years before they were available.

Many people have Bose systems with a sub-woofer and those would work.

katt

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#1250348 - 08/16/09 01:59 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: nitekatt2008z]  
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Unless you're playing in a band, stay away from keyboard amps. They will make you louder, but volume is all you'll get. A keyboard amp will probably sound worse than your internal speakers. You are indeed seeing studio monitors in everybody's setups. Studio monitors are usually self-contained units with an amplifier built in. You just plug them into the outputs of your keyboard, connect the power cable (Powered monitors have their own cord and plug) and you're ready to go. I would stay away from unpowered (no built-in amp) monitors, unless you really want to add some confusion to your life.

When setting up your monitors, it is important to have them in the proper placement. You want them about eye/ear level when you're seated at the piano, and the placement should form a triangle - your head being the apex. Look into monitor stands at your local music store. You can get cheap ones, which are made of black aluminum tubing, or you can get the really nice "furniture grade" stands, which are good and heavy (tip resistant) with nice wooden inlays on the sides.

To answer your other question, yes, headphones can improve the sound quality of your piano. Be warned though, not just any $20 Wal-Mart headphones do this, you would need to be looking at something more along the lines of a $200 set of Sennheiser studio 'phones. To be perfectly honest though, I sometimes play through the ear phones that came with my ipod and they sound fairly decent, minus some bass.


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#1250449 - 08/16/09 07:12 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: LesCharles73]  
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Thanks Charles and everyone else; you have been very helpful.

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#1250785 - 08/17/09 11:52 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: LesCharles73]  
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Originally Posted by LesCharles73
Unless you're playing in a band, stay away from keyboard amps. They will make you louder, but volume is all you'll get. A keyboard amp will probably sound worse than your internal speakers. You are indeed seeing studio monitors in everybody's setups. Studio monitors are usually self-contained units with an amplifier built in. You just plug them into the outputs of your keyboard, connect the power cable (Powered monitors have their own cord and plug) and you're ready to go. I would stay away from unpowered (no built-in amp) monitors, unless you really want to add some confusion to your life.

When setting up your monitors, it is important to have them in the proper placement. You want them about eye/ear level when you're seated at the piano, and the placement should form a triangle - your head being the apex. Look into monitor stands at your local music store. You can get cheap ones, which are made of black aluminum tubing, or you can get the really nice "furniture grade" stands, which are good and heavy (tip resistant) with nice wooden inlays on the sides.

To answer your other question, yes, headphones can improve the sound quality of your piano. Be warned though, not just any $20 Wal-Mart headphones do this, you would need to be looking at something more along the lines of a $200 set of Sennheiser studio 'phones. To be perfectly honest though, I sometimes play through the ear phones that came with my ipod and they sound fairly decent, minus some bass.


Keyboard amps can work if you just need mono backline sound, running a line out via a DI to the PA mixer. And this would mainly be in the rock/blues venue mode playing loud tinny acoustic piano samples, organs, strings, electric pianos, etc. But if you have a quality digital piano or VI software like Ivory, a single mono keyboard amp is not going to produce that big, rich warm sound you are hearing in your pro headphones. Try to get the best headphones you can afford. because they do make a difference in getting a reference point of what the acoustic piano samples should sound like.

I bought a set of Sony MDR7506 Professional Stereo Headphones for $99 online. Here is a link with some reviews and info about them.

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-SON-MDR7506-LIST

I have been using these for several years, dropped them on hard floors, thrown them around in my studio and they still sound great. Built very sturdy. They are also very comfortable to wear for hours at a time and they have a long coiled cable, but one of the smaller plug-in adapters, there is a gold stereo 1/4 included in the box and a nice heavy duty black carrying bag. These phones are not the noise canceling type, but they do a pretty good job muffling external sound. There are more expensive pro studio headphones on the market that can cost $200+ but if you are on a budget, these might work for you. The reviews I have read from other musicians who have bought the MDRs either love them or hate them. It depends on what sound you expect from a pro set of headphones, but the MDR's work for me fine and sound great.

But I still recommend checking out the plethora selection of studio monitors in various and price ranges to get the best possible stereo sound from digital pianos and VI.

katt

#1256181 - 08/25/09 09:45 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: nitekatt2008z]  
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For inexpensive headphones the Sony MDR's are hard to beat. If you get a chance, try out a set of Stax ear speakers. They require a good deal of clean amplifier power (not from the headphone jack), are pretty expensive, but are among the best I've heard. They are well worth the price of admission!

#1260099 - 09/01/09 03:11 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: nitekatt2008z]  
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Originally Posted by nitekatt2008z
[quote=AdamBrown]
I would look for monitors that have at least an 8-10 inch size speaker and a 1 inch tweeter. Here is a link to KRK. http://www.krksys.com/index.php

I bought 2 KRK Rokit 8 series that produce a great sound with my 2 Casio Privia keyboards. They are reasonably priced.

Yamaha HS 80M are great too, but much more expensive

* 8" white polypropylene cone
* 1" dome tweeter
* 120-watt biamplified power
* XLR and ¼" connectors
* Room control and frequency response switches

That's my advice. Go into a local music store and ask to listen to various monitors in the listening room. Good luck

katt



Hi,

I was looking to the keyboard and monitors specifications and I do not understand:
How do you connect the KRK monitors to the keyboard? Through line output?
How do you control volume level? Does keyboard have volume level in line output?

thanks in advance for your help

Pedro



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#1260104 - 09/01/09 03:29 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: fliper]  
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You are more likely to have better results with the aux-out jacks on the P155. At least 8 inch monitors are a good idea, and KRK, Mackie, Yamaha are all good. Don't get 6 inch monitors. A $100 subwoofer helps too.


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#1260354 - 09/01/09 01:01 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: fliper]  
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Originally Posted by fliper
Originally Posted by nitekatt2008z
[quote=AdamBrown]
I would look for monitors that have at least an 8-10 inch size speaker and a 1 inch tweeter. Here is a link to KRK. http://www.krksys.com/index.php

I bought 2 KRK Rokit 8 series that produce a great sound with my 2 Casio Privia keyboards. They are reasonably priced.

Yamaha HS 80M are great too, but much more expensive

* 8" white polypropylene cone
* 1" dome tweeter
* 120-watt biamplified power
* XLR and ¼" connectors
* Room control and frequency response switches

That's my advice. Go into a local music store and ask to listen to various monitors in the listening room. Good luck

katt



Hi,

I was looking to the keyboard and monitors specifications and I do not understand:
How do you connect the KRK monitors to the keyboard? Through line output?
How do you control volume level? Does keyboard have volume level in line output?

thanks in advance for your help

Pedro



Pedro, the way I hook powered monitors and sound systems to my Casio Privia 88 boards is through a mixer. I have a small Behringer mixer similar to this one:

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Eurorack-UB802

I also use an old Mackie 1202 mixer that I bought in 1997 and still works. All you have to do is plug Input: XLR (3-pin), RCA & 1/4" TRS - 10k Ohm, Balanced / Unbalanced cables from the monitors to the L/R outputs to your keyboard. You don't have to use a mixer and just plug the the cables direct from the monitors to the keyboard. Some keyboards do not have 1/4 slots, some may have the L/R RCA outs or a headphone input.

The reason I prefer using a mixer is I can use the EQ to tweak the sound, the pre amp/phantom power helps boost the gain on low output keyboards such the Privias and attach a NANO VERB for reverb and delay effects.

Personally, I would not buy any digital piano or keyboard that doesn't include 1/4 L/R outputs or MIDI In/Out slots. Some newer keyboards don't have MIDI and have USB slot to connect to computers or Audio interfaces. The Privias have 1/4 L/R outs, MIDI IN/Out and USB, so there are several possibilities to get plugged in.

Hope that helps.

katt

#1260392 - 09/01/09 02:04 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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Originally Posted by AdamBrown
I just looked at a thread that showed everybody's digital piano setup.


Link?

I tryd the search function, but with no results.


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#1713723 - 07/15/11 07:51 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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I am bringing this thread back to life because I just purchased a digital piano for which I have come to the conclusion that I cannot live with the sound through the external speakers. I have LINE OUT (L/R), MIDI OUT, and I have a small STEREO OUT jack.

I am looking for recommendations for external speakers / monitors.

The KRK ROKIT 8 appears to be a good option from what I have
been reading.

Another good option appears to be the M-Audio Studiophile Bx8 studio monitors.


Any thoughts on this ?

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I use a pair of Rokit 5 and a Polk sub. My room is fairly small, maybe 9 x 12, so the 8's would probably be overkill for me. Maybe you wouldn't need a sub with the 8's. I happen to like a lot of bass at times.


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Originally Posted by dmd
I am bringing this thread back to life because I just purchased a digital piano for which I have come to the conclusion that I cannot live with the sound through the external speakers. I have LINE OUT (L/R), MIDI OUT, and I have a small STEREO OUT jack.

I am looking for recommendations for external speakers / monitors.

The KRK ROKIT 8 appears to be a good option from what I have
been reading.

Another good option appears to be the M-Audio Studiophile Bx8 studio monitors.


Any thoughts on this ?


For the money, the Rokit's are a very good monitor.

Check out Adam, Event, Yorkville, Focus, Dynaudio amongst others. Some are expensive but you often get what you pay for when you're choosing from established names. Buying powered monitors will make your life easier. No amp matching or bi-amping woes.

Regards. Rimmer

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What I want to know, specifically is this ...

I am trying to overcome what I consider an undesirable sound (excessively resonant, and tinny) coming from my digital piano.

Will purchasing monitors impact that problem or will it just make everything clearer, resonance and tinny sound also ?



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What would hooking up external speakers to my p155 do? Would it just make the sound louder or would it make it better?
Both

I mean, when I press certain notes down on the p155 the sound isn't always perfect; would external speakers make this better?
It depends on what aspect of the sound your unhappy with the P155's speakers are not great but actual sound of the piano isn't exactly class leading either.

Is that imperfect sound the fault of the p155's speakers?
Will good headphones make the sound better?

Good headphones will improve it however it can't improve something that is in the P155 rather then the speakers.


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Good headphones will give you a better idea of the potential of the sound generator than the onboard speakers. So listen to the piano through them and then decide if this is the sound that you wish to amplify. (Obviously the bass and midrange will sound fuller). If that sound is what you want then get the outboard gear. If it's not, then you must look for some other remedy.



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Originally Posted by dmd
What I want to know, specifically is this ...

I am trying to overcome what I consider an undesirable sound (excessively resonant, and tinny) coming from my digital piano.

Will purchasing monitors impact that problem or will it just make everything clearer, resonance and tinny sound also ?



I'll be away on vacation but will make this one last post from home.

First, what is the keyboard in question?

How does it sound through quality headphones?

An excellent sound system cannot make a keyboard sound any better than high quality headphones. If it sounds less than adequate through high quality headphones, a sound system is just going to make it sound louder, not necessarily better.





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I ended up getting a pair of Alesis MIActive 520 monitor speakers.

In my opinion they have a very nice sound and have plenty of power for home use.



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Originally Posted by AlphaTerminus
Don't get 6 inch monitors.


Why?? cry Im thinking about gettin a samson xp150...

Its for home use and small solo gigs (love the portability)...
Will I get no bass with it? What do you recommend in the same price range?

Thanks and sorry if reviving this annoys anyone, but its such an important issue for us who gig with dig.pianos!

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Originally Posted by Leandrusi
Originally Posted by AlphaTerminus
Don't get 6 inch monitors.


Why?? cry Im thinking about gettin a samson xp150...

Its for home use and small solo gigs (love the portability)...
Will I get no bass with it? What do you recommend in the same price range?

Thanks and sorry if reviving this annoys anyone, but its such an important issue for us who gig with dig.pianos!


Since the thread is back from the dead . . . .

The reason you need larger-than-6" woofers (_if_ you need them) is to give you good sound volume in the deep bass. It's not that you'll get "no bass" -- it's that you'll get weaker deep bass than you'd get from a larger speaker.

Roughly speaking, the amount of air that a loudspeaker moves, at low frequencies, varies as the cube of its diameter. So an 8" woofer will move roughly twice as much air as a 6" woofer. It will also have a lower resonant frequency; that determines (in part) how efficiently it will work, at low frequencies.

The Samson XP-150 is a cousin of the Yamaha "Stagepas" integrated PA systems. They're very handy -- elegant, efficient designs.

I've used a Stagepas 300 (8" woofers) for a singing group, and it's loud enough (and deep enough) for a 200-person church. I've used my EV ZX-A1 (8" woofer, horn-loaded tweeter, 300? watts) for playing keyboard bass, and it does nicely (which surprised me).

If the venue is small-to-medium, and you're not playing Rachmaninoff (or rock-and-roll), the XP-150 should be OK. But you'll only really know after you've tried it with _your_ music, in _your_ venue.

There was a simple rule for keyboard monitor speakers, posted on the Pianoteq website (without any justification):

. . . Either 8" woofer (or larger), or

. . . . . 5" woofer with separate subwoofer.

Based on what I've heard, and read here, it's not a bad rule.

There is a (much-maligned) "rule of thumb" for PA systems:

. . . You need 3 watts per person.

It's not a bad ballpark estimate, IMHO.


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Everyone else had gave excellent suggestion on the monitors - so I won't comment anything on that (not that I know much :P)

Just wanna pop in and say forget about using the build in DP sound, they will sound absolutely HORRIBLE even with good pair of studio monitors - in fact a good studio monitor will make it sound worse.

Hook your DP up to a Mac/PC and install some software piano like Pianoteq/Ivory/Ravenscroft etc etc and THEN hook the PC output to a good pair of studio monitors, like many of us in the forum does laugh

Cheers.

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#2452963 - 08/22/15 11:47 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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As an older rock star crazy, I can be forgetful. Yesterday, I remembered that I had two 17 year old Event 20/20bas studio monitors in storage. I retrieved them, dusted 'em off, then went to Guitar Center and got an Allen & Heath Zed 10 mixer. I hooked everything together, and it all worked! I had forgotten how incredibly good those Event speakers were. I now have a sweet stereo monitor mix with some real character. At gigs, I use a JDI Duplex DI to send L/R to FOH, and will now relegate my KC-550 as a stage monitor ony (slight overkill blush). I believe one can find some very good used studio monitors on the cheap.

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#2453314 - 08/23/15 06:41 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: Nsureit]  
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Nsureit, is all that gear set up in your living room?

Assuming you are married, may I ask what your wife thinks of this?

Cheers,
James
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#2453471 - 08/24/15 11:27 AM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: nitekatt2008z]  
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Originally Posted by nitekatt2008z

Hey. If you mainly want to amplify your keyboard in your home and not performing in live gigs or events, you want to hook up some quality studio monitors for the highest quality sound output.

? If he's not planning to do any recording, there's no reason to prefer studio speakers aka "monitors" vs regular speakers; the former are not inherently better quality, just a different (truer) kind of sound.

#2453521 - 08/24/15 02:12 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: AdamBrown]  
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I used to have a pair of cheap Alesis M1 Mk2 Active monitors but sold them (and I regret). Those monitors were surprisingly good at bass, I loved playing with them, but My God, I had to work hard to setup them properly (proper height, proper angles, proper room etc.). The main problem with close field studio monitors is that they sound good only to people sitting in the sweet spot.

I would say high quality home stereo speakers with addition of good subwoofer will do nice for playing at home.

#2458346 - 09/09/15 08:09 PM Re: Amplifier or External Speaker for Digital Piano, I'm New [Re: Qaroll]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Nsureit, is all that gear set up in your living room?

Assuming you are married, may I ask what your wife thinks of this?

Cheers,
James
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This room is a finished, 400 sq. ft. area above my garage. It's all mine! Here's a better photo.
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I have room to accommodate 4 or 5 bandmates, and my array of microphones. I have since added 4 SM57s, a SM58 beta, and an old C414 XL-B, and a 1960s vintage Shure 330 ribbon. The room actually records quite well.
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