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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: turandot] #1711071
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Originally Posted by turandot
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My poor old Petrof grand fell into neglect when I was abroad for several years and it breaks my heart to have lost the chemical battle against the termites that have made a home in it. Otherwise the parts still look stunning and it still sound beautiful but with sticking keys etc etc. The people I had asked about whether it can be restored said no because of the termites.
I have a budget of RM14000 max and am going to the piano sales that are currently on. Friend suggests Malaysia made Challen - I am not familiar with them.


Props to the Petrof for still sounding good!





Props indeed. Composite action on your Petrof sounds like the best solution to me. If it looks and sounds beautiful and you still like it, it is worth the maintenance, and you with end up with a nice termite resistant Petrof rather than a Challen that will most likely have wood whippens that will probably stick just as much as any whippen eaten by termites.


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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: Yours Truly] #1711206
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You still have a good petrof grand and just the action is detoriating? And you love the sound? I would then probably have a new action for that.

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Central air dries the air continuously as long as it is running. It is a form of humidity control.



It is not: AC gives you no control over humidity, it just keeps cooling the air with maybe drying as an (uncontrollable) side effect.


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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: Yours Truly] #1711260
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Upright pianos are everywhere in Malaysia in the Chinese community (where for the middle class children, it's almost part of their upbringing), and very few of them are permanently in air-conditioned rooms (at least, they weren't when I visited a few years ago). The most common brand is probably Yamaha. I don't know whether the Yamahas destined for the South-East Asia market are specially treated but I've never heard of any termite infestation problems with them (actually, house lizards and their droppings are a more common sight.... grin). You won't find termites in the houses there: people walk barefeet in their homes and so the floors are always kept clean.


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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: cessnaurina] #1711294
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Hold on!

If you read the thread, the member did NOT specify where the infestation was. He wrote only....

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My poor old Petrof grand fell into neglect when I was abroad for several years and it breaks my heart to have lost the chemical battle against the termites that have made a home in it. Otherwise the parts still look stunning and it still sound beautiful but with sticking keys etc etc. The people I had asked about whether it can be restored said no because of the termites.


A member from Australia wrote that he thought the termites were eating the action. I have no idea on what basis he made that comment....comparable climate, comparable experience..???

The OP, if the information he supplied is correct, is probably in KL now shopping pianos. IF he checks back into the thread, he may supply more information about where the infestation is. Until he does, there is no reason to assume that sticking keys on a neglected piano exposed to a sub-tropical environment are due to termites eating the action wood.


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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: Yours Truly] #1711305
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Hi YoursTruly,

give the Roland V-Piano a shot if you can get your hands on one. Digital, but plays more realistic than all other DPs I've tried, and at least tuning won't be an issue. Extreme humidity could still get to it of course. I posted my review here in the forums recently.


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Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: Yours Truly] #1711565
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Claims of the extreme Asian climate are common and might be greeted with skepticism. Generally the Asian climate is little different than our own.

I have been to Singapore, at the end of Malaysia, quite a number of time. Every time I was there the weather was mild, pleasant and spring like. There was no noticeable excess humidity. There is little reason to believe that the Malaysian climate is much worse for a piano than our own.

Re: Buying piano in few hours - urgent advice,please! [Re: turandot] #1711692
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Originally Posted by turandot
Hold on!

A member from Australia wrote that he thought the termites were eating the action. I have no idea on what basis he made that comment....comparable climate, comparable experience..???


Our Australian friend gave wood type as a basis:
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Termites prefer certain types of wood, and I think they do not eat pine/spruce/soundboards or the case (laminate) or pin block.


I do not know about the preferences of termites, but it is likely that the action contains the only non-treated wood. I think you are right to ask for more information before jumping to a conclusion since we cannot say without knowing more about those pesky termite preferences that termites gravitate toward untreated wood either (it stands to reason but much insect behavior is counter intuitive to human rational). The only specific issue on the Petrof reported by the OP is sticking keys, giving us further reason to jump to that conclusion (perhaps prematurely). Yet, there is also the "etc etc" on the end of that statement that must give us pause. While I would be curious as to where the infestation truly is, I am more curious as to why a restorer would indicate that it is not worth restoring due to termites (probably bringing us back to that etc etc.)

Eliminating termites from the equation, the choice is very clear to me. If I had a Petrof (or any piano really) that I thought sounded beautiful (I could care less about what my piano looks like, but that is just me so we will add that it looks stunning as well) I would not be out looking for cheap pianos.

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