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Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy #1695146
06/13/11 08:42 PM
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Here's my setup: Yamaha CP-5, KRK Rokit 6 monitors, Behringer mixer.

I bought the top of the line keyboard to get the most realistic feel and sound of an acoutic piano. Only problem is, the keyboard sounds muddy at the lower registers through studio monitors. I have to turn down the "low" equalizer all the way down to control the unwanted muddy sound. I read in this forum that the speakers are problem because it can not handle the low frequency. Is there a solution for this besides investing in bigger speakers, the speakers are the problem?

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Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1695153
06/13/11 08:56 PM
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Just to make sure you rule things out, have you tried to run directly to the monitors just to make sure it's not something the mixer is introducing?

Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1695323
06/14/11 07:43 AM
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Hi,

Sorry if this sounds totally obvious, but sometimes the problem lies in room resonances, especially with small rooms.

I had a similar problem with my DP (i.e. the bass was at times overwhelming) and after some investigation I concluded that I had a problem with room acoustics (unfortunately there's no easy solution to that).

One way to check that would be to play a scale in the bottom registers and listen whether the 'muddy resonances' have a peak around some specific key. If this is the case, room acoustics could be an explanation.

Ciao,
Paolo


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Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1695327
06/14/11 08:10 AM
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First things first, listen to the keyboard only using high quality headphones. How does it sound?

I will not assume that you've read the owner's manual, but you do realize there are two sets of EQ's for each sound - the master EQ on the right side of the keyboard and the dedicated EQ embedded in the sound itself which you access via the menus.

Does the mixer have a headphone output? Have you listened to the mixer output using headphones?

Have you played a CD using material you're familiar with through the same system at the same location? How does that sound?

Approach this systematically and you'll narrow down the weak link.


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Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1700859
06/23/11 10:06 PM
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Maybe its just me but the Yamaha CP5 is a not user friendly keyboard. I read through the manual a few times and its overwhelming. Thanks to everyone for helping out. I will find the weak link. good idea on bypassing the mixer and connecting the keyboard straight to the monitors.

Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1700880
06/23/11 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tygacj
Maybe its just me but the Yamaha CP5 is a not user friendly keyboard. I read through the manual a few times and its overwhelming.

I find all but the simplest of Yamaha keyboards to have incredibly baffling user interfaces. And that's coming from someone who normally enjoys trying to figure out things that others have given up on.

After several bad experiences, my wife wisely doesn't touch any controls on the Yamaha she plays at church other than the on/off, volume, and the tone selector spinner - and when some unexpected behavior is encountered a quick power cycle is easier and surer than trying to get inside the heads of the mad scientists who designed that Frankenstein. I've played with it and can occasionally get it to do things like splits and layers, but I'd never attempt to get fancy with it in any kind of performance situation (not that I play much at all, mind you, but I completely understand her reticence).

Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1700990
06/24/11 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tygacj
Maybe its just me but the Yamaha CP5 is a not user friendly keyboard. I read through the manual a few times and its overwhelming. Thanks to everyone for helping out. I will find the weak link. good idea on bypassing the mixer and connecting the keyboard straight to the monitors.


One very important thing to know is pressing a button quickly or pressing and holding it down it for a second or so, it'll make a difference. I agree that the interface is less than user friendly. It took me several days before I felt comfortable.



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Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: tygacj] #1701024
06/24/11 06:51 AM
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Actually I think it's pretty simple once you've understood the idea behind it. And I'm not a computer geek at all :-)


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Andreas
Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: dewster] #1701042
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Originally Posted by dewster
...when some unexpected behavior is encountered a quick power cycle is easier and surer than trying to get inside the heads of the mad scientists who designed that Frankenstein.


lol

I like my CP33. It's simple and straightforward to program, but you need a manual to know the secret codes!

Mychal

Re: Yamaha CP5 sounds muddy [Re: Peakly] #1701087
06/24/11 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Peakly
I like my CP33. It's simple and straightforward to program, but you need a manual to know the secret codes!

Oh, I fully agree, very similar interface to our P120 and super easy to operate. Unless you want to change some odd parameter in the Function menu - probably a rare event for most users - then you need the manual to interpret what's going on with the LED display.


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