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Chopin again, the B-flat minor Mazurka Op. 24/4 has a recurring descending minor seventh. It's not really a melody, but it's a striking enough passage that it's what most people remember of the piece having heard it.
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I can think of a really good example with ascending 7ths.... the whole piece is flooded with them actually. Any guesses? 10/10? even if those aren't really melodies... there are some descending 7ths in 25/1. i should make it a habit to pay attention to intervals a bit more, seems like a good exercise. Not Chopin
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If you need to sing a minor 7th it may be easier to think down an octave and up a step, than to recall a melody.
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Chopin again, the B-flat minor Mazurka Op. 24/4 has a recurring descending minor seventh. It's not really a melody, but it's a striking enough passage that it's what most people remember of the piece having heard it. Great get!!!  I want to smack myself on the head for not thinking of it, because it's one of my favorite pieces. And BTW I think it's at least real close to being 'really a melody.'
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If you need to sing a minor 7th it may be easier to think down an octave and up a step, than to recall a melody. This. Most definitely. In my choir, we call it the "Bass trick", hehe. Basses sometimes have to do octave leaps, so we just think up a step or a third (or whatever the short interval is), instead of down the sixth or seventh...
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Let's put this into a harmonic context : Think of a dominant seventh or ninth* chord on G, with melody notes of A down to B, resolving to a tonic chord on C with the melody note of C. There must be dozens of songs that end with that sequence. Does that "ring any bells"?
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Good one! And it seems to me some old TV commercial jingle ended that way too.....can't come up with exactly what. I think it was either some laundry product or toilet paper.  (edit) I got it -- it was COFFEE. The final lyric was "So unbeatable....it's reheatable." 
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Good one! "None But the Lonely Heart" is perfect for remembering the interval. But I didn't realize until reading this thread what a rare gesture it was to begin a piece (or a theme) with a desc. minor 7th. Edited to say: lol, I didn't realize I was parroting Mark C's exclamation.
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If you need to sing a minor 7th it may be easier to think down an octave and up a step, than to recall a melody. This. Most definitely. In my choir, we call it the "Bass trick", hehe. I've been a member of several choirs, and this idea is completely new to me. "Bass trick"??? One choir director made us sing solfege intervals to warm up. Minor 7th would be "Do to Re" (descending).
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Tchaikovsky's almost unbearably sad song None But the Lonely Heart:
Was that inspiration to "Owner of a Lonely Heart"? 
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Good one! And it seems to me some old TV commercial jingle ended that way too.....can't come up with exactly what. I think it was either some laundry product or toilet paper. (edit) I got it -- it was COFFEE. The final lyric was "So unbeatable....it's reheatable." Hills Brothers coffee, I believe.
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Tchaikovsky's almost unbearably sad song None But the Lonely Heart:
Was that inspiration to "Owner of a Lonely Heart"? Yes Actually I never heard of that song or band until I googled it five minutes ago
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....And it seems to me some old TV commercial jingle ended that way too.....it was COFFEE. The final lyric was "So unbeatable....it's reheatable." Hills Brothers coffee, I believe. Bingo! Not that I knew that -- I wasn't aware of ever having heard of Hills Bros. Coffee, it didn't even ring a bell. But I saw it when I looked this up to try to find video of the ad.
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What about the bit in the 3rd movement of the Pathetique sonata, in the cadence before the second occurence of the triplet rhythm (C D an octave down Eb, with the chords Ab Bb and Eb, the same way the clip from the musical ends). There's also the rising minor seventh C Bb in the first section of the piece if that matters.
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