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Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand #1614635
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I am looking for a baby grand for my wife. She is an accomplished pianist, but with kids in college, the funding just isn't there for a Steinway. She played an older Yamaha G1 and really liked the tone and feel. She has also recently played on a Kawai that applealed to her. On the other end of her specturm, she played on a Samick and the general tone didn't impress her.

I, the non-musician, then came across some hype about a Hailun baby grand.

I would like input on the Hailun brand. How does it compare with Yamaha or Kawai? If it is not in the same class, what brand would it most closely approximate?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Welcome to the forum, Two!Cubed. smile

Given that your wife is an accomplished pianist, what we think doesn't matter in the least. My advice is for the two of you to take your time and visit as many piano stores and play as many pianos as you can. And start studying the Craiglist listings very closely. When budget is a factor, you may be best served buying a gently used higher-quality piano than what you would be able to get for the same money new.





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What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

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I've owned my Hailun for about a year now and have been quite happy with it. It's great bang for your buck. I closely relate it as the Honda Civic of the auto industry. Great value for what you get, but in the end it's a Honda and not a Lexus. Both great cars but two very different categories. I'm just afraid that if your wife is as serious a pianist as she sounds to be that she'll only be truly content with a piano in the next category up be it a s&s, mason, bosi, etc.

So if you can afford a mid 20 to mid 30k piano, pinch the pennies and do what you need to do to get a great used high end grand. But, with the kids in college and budget stretching really isn't an option and if mid teens to under 10k is the budget, then Hailun's definitely one to consider seriously.


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I am happy with mine. However, I highly recommend you take it slow, and have your wife try a lot of different pianos and go for the one she likes best overall. (touch, tone etc...) Have her play the ones she likes several times. Always get a technician you trust to inspect a used one before you buy.

It's a buyers market and there are a lot of good pianos to choose from. Again, I love my H, but your wife might not.


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Originally Posted by Hop
What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

Hop


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Hop does not mention this fact, but she also owns a Hailun.

Definitely put it on your list of pianos to try.

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I have no comment on the smaller grands, as I have not played them, but the Hailun (or Wendl & Lung) model 218 is a very formidable instrument. Why anyone would want a Yamaha C6 after playing one is beyond me.

Also check out Fandrich & Sons.

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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Hop
What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

Hop


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Hop does not mention this fact, but shealso owns a Hailun.
Definitely put it on your list of pianos to try.
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Originally Posted by Two!Cubed
I am looking for a baby grand for my wife. She is an accomplished pianist, but with kids in college, the funding just isn't there for a Steinway. She played an older Yamaha G1 and really liked the tone and feel. She has also recently played on a Kawai that applealed to her.

The questions that come to my mind are what piano (if any) she has at home now, and what kind of music she likes to play. If there is a piano void or she is playing an old beater, a visit to a well-stocked piano store is going to be the Coney Island of here mind. She's going to need some time to define her taste. The other possibility is that she's not all that picky and can work with and derive pleasure from any number of instruments. That's not a bad thing at all. Old Yamaha G series vary quite a bit, but even so they are measurably different from Kawai pianos, which of course also vary among themselves.. Your comment about her liking both makes me think that your wife should play the field before going steady.

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I, the non-musician, then came across some hype about a Hailun baby grand.

I would like input on the Hailun brand. How does it compare with Yamaha or Kawai? If it is not in the same class, what brand would it most closely approximate?


My comments are limited to the 161 and the 178. I have almost no experience with a 198 or 218.

If these Hailun grands were figure skaters, they would not carve the deepest lines in the ice, but the lines cut would be clean and clear. They would not be particularly athletic --- no triple salchows or quadruple-toe-loops with great height and span, but they would be pretty balletic -- a pleasure to watch as they skimmed lightly and gracefully across the ice. Some judges would mark them down for not having the elements they consider most important. Others would focus more on what they offer and less on what they don't.

If a Hailun grand were a painting, it wouldn't be done in thick acrylic or in oil squeezed from tubes and layered up to create a deep texture on a two-dimensional object. It wouldn't display the greatest range or depth of color either. It would be a water color executed with restraint and refinement on good-enough quality paper to make a positive impression when displayed on a living room wall. It would tend to brighten and cheer its environment rather than dampenn or solemnify the spirit of the place. A museum curator probably wouldn't want it though, not provocative or mysterious enough, a bit obvious maybe.

I don't think that Hailun grands are musically all that close to eithe Yamaha or Kawai. To me, they're closer to some European pianos, one in particular. No need to get into that though except to say that those European pianos cost a multiple of the Hailun price.


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I wanted to thank everyone for the information you have posted.

Poetic, metaphorical, or just straight-shooting. All good stuff.

Thanks

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Nice analogies Tdot.

In my opinion, the Hailuns I've played have all seemed like a great value for the price. To me, the only thing they lack is a track record. However, if they DO develop a similar track record to more "reputable" companies such as Yamaha and Kawai you can bet that the price will also be comparable to a Yamaha or Kawai.
The Hailuns I've tried have all been very well prepped and played beautifully.



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What an interesting and curious set of analogies!

Not knowing a great deal about ice skating or painting, I'll only offer this one because it struck a chord of agreement:

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It would tend to brighten and cheer its environment rather than dampenn or solemnify the spirit of the place



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I don't think that Hailun grands are musically all that close to eithe Yamaha or Kawai. To me, they're closer to some European pianos, one in particular. No need to get into that though except to say that those European pianos cost a multiple of the Hailun price.


I don't know which European model you are thinking of (surely not the one with the same color of metalwork), but I agree that it is not musically close to a Kawai. I do think it is much closer to a Yamaha, and closer still to an older U.S. made Mason and Hamlin.

YMMV,
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Adding to the votes for Hailun 178.

It is very highly regarded by top piano professionals in my city, and often used for concerts.

It was a very well regarded university music school lecturer's personal recommendation of the Hailun 178 to me that gave me the confidence to ignore the fact it is quite new on the block, and is so much cheaper than comparable pianos that it's easy to be suspicious as to the quality.

As Hailun builds its reputation (which it is very quickly) the price is sure to rise.

If you wife loves the tone and touch of the Hailun 178, I would say, have no hesitation in buying one.

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Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
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Originally Posted by Fellybelly
Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
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Although I purchased a 178, I played the 151 and 161 pretty extensively before making my purchase. I was bowled over with the 151. For such a small instrument, I was stunned at the sound. The 161 is probably somewhat better, but the 151 was so stunning that I didn't see much difference. I was planning on getting a 151, but the 178 became available at a very attractive price (over two years ago), and I decided on it. I still think it is the gem of the series.

In sum, the 161 is slightly better (more bass especially) than the 151. At the time I shopped, it was slightly more expensive. If that's still true, I'd go for the larger instument. If the price difference is large, I'd consider the 151.

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Originally Posted by Fellybelly
Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
Thanks in advance smile


Hi Fellybelly,

I played all of them during my piano search. But HG178 fees totally different and pleases me most. So finally I purchased a 178 with an acceptable price after a long time bargaining with the dealer.

For 151 and 161, I would definitely go with the larger one if your budget is allowed. 151 is so small that the bass is not deep enough. Even a large upright can have a better bass sound than a ~150 grand. 10 cm longer will give you more pleasure in bass with no doubt.

As for your room fit, Hailun dose not have grands around 170cm, but you could also try Ritmuller 170R if your room fits. Ritmuller in China market is named under Kayserburg, which is the best piano made by PeralRiver. I have seen someone in this forum bought this 170R and gave a high valuation.

Anyway, buy the grand which you like most and enjoy!

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However, if they DO develop a similar track record to more "reputable" companies such as Yamaha and Kawai you can bet that the price will also be comparable to a Yamaha or


Very true and well said!

"Track record" for some people means mecanical reliability, for others personal musical satisfaction.

Interestingly enough, not necessarily and automatically all-inclusive aspects of an instrument.....

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My honest opinion:
151: Liked it a bit, not particularly bad for small grand, not particularly good either.
161: Liked it a bit more than 151, quite melodic and nice to play. Balanced, I thought.
178: I thought this was the best piano for size out of all the Hailuns, very nice piano. Nice tinkling treble, mellow, present bass.
218: Dunno, maybe it was that particular piano, but I found it was a bit strange, had a weak, tinny high treble, and muffled low end bass. The best tone range was in the middle. However, this was me performing on one, and my view is not the same view as the audiences, and it sounded fine to them.

I'm quite interested about the Hailun 277, the concert grand. Has anyone played one or heard one?

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Hailun makes a good piano, and I think the answers here have been fair and helpful. A couple of folks have mentioned Ritmuller, so I'll put in a plug. I compared Hailun and Ritmuller against one another when I was shopping last year and had (and still have) a significant preference for the Ritmuller. The Rit was no more expensive than the Hailun.

To my ear, the Rit was richer and more clear than the Hailun. Of course, pianos speak differently to different people. It depends in part of what sort of sound you are looking for. And it is nice that Hailun makes it's own pianos under it's own name and design. Ritmuller, of course, was a German brand whose naming rights were purchased by Pearl River. However, IMO, PR has done a tremendous job with Ritmuller.

I've also had several very advanced pianists play our Rit, and they were very happy with it; so I think it would be an excellent option for an accomplished pianist on a budget.

Regardless, good luck!

Mike

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Very true and well said!

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I'm not so sure that a good track record will lead to comparable prices. The price differential is largely due to differences in cost of labor and materials.


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Out of the thousands(probably tens of thousands) of dealer posts about makes they sell, has there ever been even one that said the slightest negative thing? One that was not highly complimentary?

For owners of a particular piano make other than some inexpensive upright they bought/inherited as a first piano, I'd say that "only" about 98% of the comments are positive. Some have made many hundreds of posts about their own pianos. I think the usefulness of the comments are inversely proportional to the number of comments made.

The really useful comments are from those who can really be objective.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
For owners of a particular piano make other than some inexpensive upright they bought/inherited as a first piano, I'd say that "only" about 98% of the comments are positive. Some have made many hundreds of posts about their own pianos. I think the usefulness of the comments are inversely proportional to the number of comments made.

The really useful comments are from those who can really be objective.
Always there are noted exceptions, but most people who play any decent piano derive a disproportionate amount of joy when compared to objective factors of quality (which is another reason everyone should upgrade to a decent piano smile ). Industry wide, pianos tend to be under-serviced, but in my experience, true warranty issues are very low and even lower now than what I saw a decade ago.

Most of the industry dirty laundry is related to people and not fit to print. Issues of disclosure (who makes what, where) arise because of negative selling from competition can make a brand vulnerable to negative stereotypes and misinformation.

In this forum, what most people are really asking for is perspective about a potential decision. These are the opinions of owners, retailers, performers, and technicians. The only real objective information is size and color.

The people who work with a product everyday will have the most expertise. They will also be the owners and retailers who have a stake in the game. That Catch-22 is inevitable once you realize the few attempts at industry objectivity failed to be sustainable. The Piano Buyer, which I think has hugely positive information for consumers, also has to be advertiser friendly. So is Piano World. You won't see any negative information originating from the operators of these overall positive forces.

Plover, it is your right to keep sprinkling those grains of salt for every dealer teaspoon of sugar. I prefer when they stay grains of salt rather than personal stuff that sometimes happens. I can say that because I've had my run-ins in the past but I try to be a good Piano World citizen.

If I knew a better way to both inform and keep balance, I would suggest that every time I posted.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think the usefulness of the comments are [*is*] inversely proportional to the number of comments made.

The really useful comments are from those who can really be objective.


Your formula does seem to work out in your case. You've made many *contributions* to Haiun threads without ever saying a blessed thing about the pianos.

I guess the pinnacle of *objectivity* would be an admission of having no experience with the piano under discussion. laugh


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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL

In this forum, what most people are really asking for is perspective about a potential decision. These are the opinions of owners, retailers, performers, and technicians. The only real objective information is size and color.
I think it's mostly the way dealers choose to express themselves.

Some state their opinions as if they were black and white facts and do so with endless repetition. Some give the impression that their only objective for looking at the latest threads is to find one where they can advertise.

I do think that there are other dealers who are far more nuanced, regularly talk about brands they do not sell(in a positive way) and a wide variety of other piano related topics, and express themsleves in a way that indicates they are being as objective as a dealer can be and genuinely want to be helpful.

When an owner (unfortunately very occasionally at PW)mentions at least something slightly negative about their piano along with all the positive, I think their opinion is more valuable and credible. IMO when an owner makes literally hundreds of posts praising the piano make they own, it goes beyond pride in their piano(which is good) and appears more like an extreme need to congratulate themselves on their choice.

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: turandot] #1685197
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Originally Posted by turandot
Your formula does seem to work out in your case. You've made many *contributions* to Haiun threads without ever saying a blessed thing about the pianos.
This has nothing to do with what I said would make someone objective.

Originally Posted by turandot
I guess the pinacle of *objectivity* would be an admission of having no experience with the piano under discussion. laugh
No, not at all despite your sarcasm.

Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: pianoloverus] #1685205
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Plover,

Don't get sore!. I was only joking. You opinions of Hailun pianos mean the world to me. By the way, what are they?

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: turandot] #1685212
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Originally Posted by turandot
Plover,

Don't get sore!. I was only joking. You opinions of Hailun pianos mean the world to me. By the way, what are they?

laugh
Hard to express yourself without being sarcastic?

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Your opinions of Hailun pianos mean the world to me. By the way, what are they?


People who readily have an opinion about 'makes' are not always the best when it comes to assessing the comparative value of individual models.

Something shoppers still seem to do best themselves.

It often is the very essence of trying pianos in direct comparison to each other in today's market.

Wholesale judgements for or 'against' entire brands is better left with those who do not appreciate the difference.

Or know....

Norbert

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The people who work with a product everyday will have the most expertise. They will also be the owners and retailers who have a stake in the game. That Catch-22 is inevitable once you realize the few attempts at industry objectivity failed to be sustainable. The Piano Buyer, which I think has hugely positive information for consumers, also has to be advertiser friendly. So is Piano World. You won't see any negative information originating from the operators of these overall positive forces.



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I think it's mostly the way dealers choose to express themselves.

Some state their opinions as if they were black and white facts and do so with endless repetition. Some give the impression that their only objective for looking at the latest threads is to find one where they can advertise.


I'm not sure anyone other than a moderator should be scrutinizing and critiquing the way that people express themselves. When the same questions are asked again and again, the answers tend to be repetitious. There are only so many ways to write that people looking for advice should also trust their own sense of tone and touch. Nonetheless, I do find usual dealer posts come up short on specific information.

The question asked here is an opinion of the Hailun 151, 161, and 178 in relation to each other. Two consumer members, Hop and Rotom, have spoken to that. Maybe their opinions are not objective, but at least they tried to address the specific question with a specific answer.

Dealers selling Chinese usually concern themselves with validating the brand and offering reassurance to those cautious about its origin. Comments such as....

a leading music teacher in our area has chosen a ********* for student concerts

to show its seriousness, ********** factory has hired noted European designer ********* to redesign its pianos

the Chinese are to be taken seriously. *Smart * shoppers are starting to take notice

It's great banng for the buck

We have placed two ********** grands in area churches


....do not address the specific questions usually asked.

I understand that dealers of a brand do not wish to step on toes by making favorable comparisons of their horses to those of others (except when the targets are frontrunners Yamaha and Steinway), but here, where the request is for differences between 3 grands from the same company, I think dealers could do a little better than brand-building.





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