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Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand #1614635
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I am looking for a baby grand for my wife. She is an accomplished pianist, but with kids in college, the funding just isn't there for a Steinway. She played an older Yamaha G1 and really liked the tone and feel. She has also recently played on a Kawai that applealed to her. On the other end of her specturm, she played on a Samick and the general tone didn't impress her.

I, the non-musician, then came across some hype about a Hailun baby grand.

I would like input on the Hailun brand. How does it compare with Yamaha or Kawai? If it is not in the same class, what brand would it most closely approximate?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1614637
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Welcome to the forum, Two!Cubed. smile

Given that your wife is an accomplished pianist, what we think doesn't matter in the least. My advice is for the two of you to take your time and visit as many piano stores and play as many pianos as you can. And start studying the Craiglist listings very closely. When budget is a factor, you may be best served buying a gently used higher-quality piano than what you would be able to get for the same money new.





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What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1614837
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I've owned my Hailun for about a year now and have been quite happy with it. It's great bang for your buck. I closely relate it as the Honda Civic of the auto industry. Great value for what you get, but in the end it's a Honda and not a Lexus. Both great cars but two very different categories. I'm just afraid that if your wife is as serious a pianist as she sounds to be that she'll only be truly content with a piano in the next category up be it a s&s, mason, bosi, etc.

So if you can afford a mid 20 to mid 30k piano, pinch the pennies and do what you need to do to get a great used high end grand. But, with the kids in college and budget stretching really isn't an option and if mid teens to under 10k is the budget, then Hailun's definitely one to consider seriously.


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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1615191
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I am happy with mine. However, I highly recommend you take it slow, and have your wife try a lot of different pianos and go for the one she likes best overall. (touch, tone etc...) Have her play the ones she likes several times. Always get a technician you trust to inspect a used one before you buy.

It's a buyers market and there are a lot of good pianos to choose from. Again, I love my H, but your wife might not.


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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Hop] #1615369
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Originally Posted by Hop
What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

Hop


2 Cubed,

Hop does not mention this fact, but she also owns a Hailun.

Definitely put it on your list of pianos to try.

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1615493
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I have no comment on the smaller grands, as I have not played them, but the Hailun (or Wendl & Lung) model 218 is a very formidable instrument. Why anyone would want a Yamaha C6 after playing one is beyond me.

Also check out Fandrich & Sons.

Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Rich Galassini] #1615503
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Hop
What Monica said, plus:

I suggests adding the Hailun to your shopping list. If you prefer something else, buy that. But enough people, including me, are delighted with the Hailun and didn't have to pay Kawai or Yamaha prices.

Get what your wife wants. But look at the Hailun among others.

Hop


2 Cubed,

Hop does not mention this fact, but shealso owns a Hailun.
Definitely put it on your list of pianos to try.
Best,


Actually, a HE. My piano ownership is reflected in my signature line; in no way am I trying to disguise that I own a Hailun HG 178.

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1615539
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Originally Posted by Two!Cubed
I am looking for a baby grand for my wife. She is an accomplished pianist, but with kids in college, the funding just isn't there for a Steinway. She played an older Yamaha G1 and really liked the tone and feel. She has also recently played on a Kawai that applealed to her.

The questions that come to my mind are what piano (if any) she has at home now, and what kind of music she likes to play. If there is a piano void or she is playing an old beater, a visit to a well-stocked piano store is going to be the Coney Island of here mind. She's going to need some time to define her taste. The other possibility is that she's not all that picky and can work with and derive pleasure from any number of instruments. That's not a bad thing at all. Old Yamaha G series vary quite a bit, but even so they are measurably different from Kawai pianos, which of course also vary among themselves.. Your comment about her liking both makes me think that your wife should play the field before going steady.

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I, the non-musician, then came across some hype about a Hailun baby grand.

I would like input on the Hailun brand. How does it compare with Yamaha or Kawai? If it is not in the same class, what brand would it most closely approximate?


My comments are limited to the 161 and the 178. I have almost no experience with a 198 or 218.

If these Hailun grands were figure skaters, they would not carve the deepest lines in the ice, but the lines cut would be clean and clear. They would not be particularly athletic --- no triple salchows or quadruple-toe-loops with great height and span, but they would be pretty balletic -- a pleasure to watch as they skimmed lightly and gracefully across the ice. Some judges would mark them down for not having the elements they consider most important. Others would focus more on what they offer and less on what they don't.

If a Hailun grand were a painting, it wouldn't be done in thick acrylic or in oil squeezed from tubes and layered up to create a deep texture on a two-dimensional object. It wouldn't display the greatest range or depth of color either. It would be a water color executed with restraint and refinement on good-enough quality paper to make a positive impression when displayed on a living room wall. It would tend to brighten and cheer its environment rather than dampenn or solemnify the spirit of the place. A museum curator probably wouldn't want it though, not provocative or mysterious enough, a bit obvious maybe.

I don't think that Hailun grands are musically all that close to eithe Yamaha or Kawai. To me, they're closer to some European pianos, one in particular. No need to get into that though except to say that those European pianos cost a multiple of the Hailun price.


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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1615569
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I wanted to thank everyone for the information you have posted.

Poetic, metaphorical, or just straight-shooting. All good stuff.

Thanks

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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: Two!Cubed] #1615574
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Nice analogies Tdot.

In my opinion, the Hailuns I've played have all seemed like a great value for the price. To me, the only thing they lack is a track record. However, if they DO develop a similar track record to more "reputable" companies such as Yamaha and Kawai you can bet that the price will also be comparable to a Yamaha or Kawai.
The Hailuns I've tried have all been very well prepped and played beautifully.



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Re: Honest Opinion on Hailun Baby Grand [Re: turandot] #1616205
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What an interesting and curious set of analogies!

Not knowing a great deal about ice skating or painting, I'll only offer this one because it struck a chord of agreement:

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It would tend to brighten and cheer its environment rather than dampenn or solemnify the spirit of the place



And this one:

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I don't think that Hailun grands are musically all that close to eithe Yamaha or Kawai. To me, they're closer to some European pianos, one in particular. No need to get into that though except to say that those European pianos cost a multiple of the Hailun price.


I don't know which European model you are thinking of (surely not the one with the same color of metalwork), but I agree that it is not musically close to a Kawai. I do think it is much closer to a Yamaha, and closer still to an older U.S. made Mason and Hamlin.

YMMV,
Hop

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Adding to the votes for Hailun 178.

It is very highly regarded by top piano professionals in my city, and often used for concerts.

It was a very well regarded university music school lecturer's personal recommendation of the Hailun 178 to me that gave me the confidence to ignore the fact it is quite new on the block, and is so much cheaper than comparable pianos that it's easy to be suspicious as to the quality.

As Hailun builds its reputation (which it is very quickly) the price is sure to rise.

If you wife loves the tone and touch of the Hailun 178, I would say, have no hesitation in buying one.

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Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
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Originally Posted by Fellybelly
Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
Thanks in advance smile


Although I purchased a 178, I played the 151 and 161 pretty extensively before making my purchase. I was bowled over with the 151. For such a small instrument, I was stunned at the sound. The 161 is probably somewhat better, but the 151 was so stunning that I didn't see much difference. I was planning on getting a 151, but the 178 became available at a very attractive price (over two years ago), and I decided on it. I still think it is the gem of the series.

In sum, the 161 is slightly better (more bass especially) than the 151. At the time I shopped, it was slightly more expensive. If that's still true, I'd go for the larger instument. If the price difference is large, I'd consider the 151.

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Originally Posted by Fellybelly
Hi, I am considering between a HaiLun 151 and 161.. as my budget limits me to below $10k and even if i want a 178 i don't think my home will fit. Any advice as to the difference between 151 and 161?
Thanks in advance smile


Hi Fellybelly,

I played all of them during my piano search. But HG178 fees totally different and pleases me most. So finally I purchased a 178 with an acceptable price after a long time bargaining with the dealer.

For 151 and 161, I would definitely go with the larger one if your budget is allowed. 151 is so small that the bass is not deep enough. Even a large upright can have a better bass sound than a ~150 grand. 10 cm longer will give you more pleasure in bass with no doubt.

As for your room fit, Hailun dose not have grands around 170cm, but you could also try Ritmuller 170R if your room fits. Ritmuller in China market is named under Kayserburg, which is the best piano made by PeralRiver. I have seen someone in this forum bought this 170R and gave a high valuation.

Anyway, buy the grand which you like most and enjoy!

Tom


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However, if they DO develop a similar track record to more "reputable" companies such as Yamaha and Kawai you can bet that the price will also be comparable to a Yamaha or


Very true and well said!

"Track record" for some people means mecanical reliability, for others personal musical satisfaction.

Interestingly enough, not necessarily and automatically all-inclusive aspects of an instrument.....

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My honest opinion:
151: Liked it a bit, not particularly bad for small grand, not particularly good either.
161: Liked it a bit more than 151, quite melodic and nice to play. Balanced, I thought.
178: I thought this was the best piano for size out of all the Hailuns, very nice piano. Nice tinkling treble, mellow, present bass.
218: Dunno, maybe it was that particular piano, but I found it was a bit strange, had a weak, tinny high treble, and muffled low end bass. The best tone range was in the middle. However, this was me performing on one, and my view is not the same view as the audiences, and it sounded fine to them.

I'm quite interested about the Hailun 277, the concert grand. Has anyone played one or heard one?

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Hailun makes a good piano, and I think the answers here have been fair and helpful. A couple of folks have mentioned Ritmuller, so I'll put in a plug. I compared Hailun and Ritmuller against one another when I was shopping last year and had (and still have) a significant preference for the Ritmuller. The Rit was no more expensive than the Hailun.

To my ear, the Rit was richer and more clear than the Hailun. Of course, pianos speak differently to different people. It depends in part of what sort of sound you are looking for. And it is nice that Hailun makes it's own pianos under it's own name and design. Ritmuller, of course, was a German brand whose naming rights were purchased by Pearl River. However, IMO, PR has done a tremendous job with Ritmuller.

I've also had several very advanced pianists play our Rit, and they were very happy with it; so I think it would be an excellent option for an accomplished pianist on a budget.

Regardless, good luck!

Mike

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