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Hemingway dp 501 #1677406
05/14/11 07:10 AM
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Hi after the adventure with behringer(friends know!)my rolled upon a Hemingway dp 501.
Can you please review this piano for me?
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Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677423
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It scored a miserable 1/10 here: Review

If you're looking for a digital piano, why are you not focusing on established manufacturers such as Roland, Yamaha and Kawai? All three have something in most price ranges.


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Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677468
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I must agree with Aidan.

DBC, why do you keeping flooding the forum with questions about lowly equipment. Surely you must realise the people on this forum are concerned with quality products, not just the cheapest stuff around...

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: ando] #1677477
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it's in my budget and yamaha roland korg are very expensive in my country.

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Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677500
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Originally Posted by DBC
it's in my budget and yamaha roland korg are very expensive in my country.


What is your budget? How much can you spend and how will the piano be used? You might also tell us where you live.

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677519
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Romania,600 euros and i will use it for practicing at home generes:pop,rock,blues,jazz,classical and swing.

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677547
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€600 is about $900 USD. At this price point, you'll likely need to get a keyboard. The consoles are generally more expensive.

For that amount there are plenty of models available from Casio and Yamaha. (Are their prices higher in Romania?)

Casio AP220 AP400 AP45
Kawai CL25
Casio PX120 PX130 PX200 PX310 PX320 PX330 PX700 PX800 PX830
Yamaha DGX500 DGX620 DGX630 P155 YDP140 YPG635

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1677647
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This looks like it would be a pretty good piano (hammer action, 64 polyphony, etc.), roughly equivalent to a Williams Overture ($600 US), which I own and am satisfied with. I play anything on the Williams, from jazz to concertos, and it serves adequately. People here sneer at economy models like this, but I know better because I actually play on it every day.

The Hemingway brand has been around for yrs. now, which would not be the case if it were a bad piano. People like the brand because of the name--it conjures up images of macho Hemingway heroes.

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Originally Posted by Gyro
People like the brand because of the name--it conjures up images of macho Hemingway heroes.

So, if that's your criterion for buying a DP - have at it!

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: Gyro] #1677741
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Originally Posted by Gyro
This looks like it would be a pretty good piano (hammer action, 64 polyphony, etc.), roughly equivalent to a Williams Overture ($600 US), which I own and am satisfied with. I play anything on the Williams, from jazz to concertos, and it serves adequately. People here sneer at economy models like this, but I know better because I actually play on it every day.

The Hemingway brand has been around for yrs. now, which would not be the case if it were a bad piano. People like the brand because of the name--it conjures up images of macho Hemingway heroes.


How much do Williams pay you to pollute this forum with these insane opinions? Did you read the review of the Hemingway? The thing has TWO volume levels only. How can that be a decent instrument? What "concertos" are you playing on your Williams? Any player of concerto standard would be frustrated by the best DPs. I can't make up my mind whether you're a schill or a troll. But I do wish you would take yourself elsewhere.


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Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: Aidan] #1677957
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Originally Posted by Aidan
It scored a miserable 1/10 here: Review

If you're looking for a digital piano, why are you not focusing on established manufacturers such as Roland, Yamaha and Kawai? All three have something in most price ranges.

UK Pianos reviews have to be read bearing in mind they like to promote their own brand of cheap DP, the Classenti, probably out of the same factory in the Far East even.

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There are not two volume levels, it's two touch sensitivity levels, whatever that means. But that doesn't matter because something like this will play anything okay. Of course it's not going to sound like a $100,000+ concert grand, but that's not what it's designed to compete with. This is an economy digital for people who want an inexpensive, grand piano-like instrument. The Chopin op. 14 plays just fine on a Williams Overture. If it doesn't sound like Arrau's rendition of it, it's my fault not the piano's.

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: Gyro] #1678265
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Hello

Frankly speaking if the instrument is THE bottleneck for one's creative expressiveness things are already on track to say the least.

Altough I play on a Yammy CP33 - which I'm into - if the op looks for a budget DP, just for making the first steps I doubt if Hemindway will be the blocker. Without doubt, not for a real talent but frankly not even for anyone who are passionate about music.

Later he can upgrade to whatever instrument he will aspire for. But even a Hemingway can be ok for someone entering the piano-world.

Welcome and keep practicing till the instrument is the only thing limiting your talent!

Best wisshes!


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Originally Posted by hannibal2
frankly not even for anyone who are passionate about music.

Later he can upgrade to whatever instrument he will aspire for. But even a Hemingway can be ok for someone entering the piano-world.


I agree about the first sentiment, not the second. Even a beginner will benefit from an instrument that accurately reflects the nuances of his or her playing. If the instrument doesn't respond truly, then the pianist may lose the ability to play so expressively. Perhaps this is even more important with beginner pianists.

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1678426
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Originally Posted by DBC
Romania,600 euros and i will use it for practicing at home generes:pop,rock,blues,jazz,classical and swing.


I just looked up prices in Europe. All three of the most recommended pianos are within your budget. The Casio px130, Yamaha P95 and Korg SP170. Of those I like the Casio PX130 best. But opinion varies.

Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: Gyro] #1678540
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Originally Posted by Gyro
There are not two volume levels, it's two touch sensitivity levels, whatever that means. But that doesn't matter because something like this will play anything okay. Of course it's not going to sound like a $100,000+ concert grand, but that's not what it's designed to compete with. This is an economy digital for people who want an inexpensive, grand piano-like instrument. The Chopin op. 14 plays just fine on a Williams Overture. If it doesn't sound like Arrau's rendition of it, it's my fault not the piano's.


OK, half of me thinks it's not worth me calling you on this, but for the sake of argument, the following from the UK Pianos review:

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Playing softly: If you try to play softly (piano or pianissimo) the keys jump down with force. This is because the spring tension in the keys is too great.
Result: It is not possible to play quietly/softly.
Score: 1 out of 10

Repetition
The repetition is good on the black keys and just below average on the white keys.
This is one of Hemingway’s better points. The repetition is still not as good as a real piano, or other better known digital pianos.
Result: Some fast passages are difficult to play.
Score: 6 out of 10

Touch sensitivity
This is virtually non existent. Most digital pianos have 4 or 5 levels of touch sensitivity which is designed to replicate a real piano. The Hemingway DP501 has only two. Although sometimes it feels like only one. You cannot get any power from the piano by pressing the keys down harder. And you certainly cannot put any expression into your music.
Result: Very frustrating to play. Not enjoyable at all.
Score: 1.5 out of 10

Key weight
The weight of touch is very important. If you practice on a piano with too light a touch you will not develop your finger muscles and dexterity. A heavier touch is always preferred. The Hemingway has a false touch. The touch is actually quite light but the spring tension is too great on the initial key depression and also when the key returns. The DP501 has 4 touch levels: Off, light, normal, and heavy. It performs best on ‘light’.
Result: The light to medium touch coupled with strong spring tensions results in a false touch. This makes it very difficult to control.
Score: 1.5 out of 10


There's actually some confusion in the terminology going on, but the inclusion of a whole section on "Key Weight" makes it clear that THIS is what the reviewer is mentioning as touch sensitivity or perhaps to put it more correctly, velocity curves. There are four of those.

So it's clear that in this case, "touch sensitivity" refers not to velocity but to perceived volume levels in what the piano renders. And the reviewer reckons there are about two. Again, to emphasise at the very beginning of the review.

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It is not possible to play quietly/softly.


Yes, the UK Pianos site can be accused of being skewed, but here's a YouTube video of the Hemingway in action. If you think this sounds acceptable in a modern digital piano, you have something seriously wrong with your ears.



The actual tone is horrible and there are virtually no dynamics. ANY contemporary digital piano from a major mainstream manufacturer is going to sound better than that, I guarantee it.

As for your beloved Williams Overture, a search of YouTube revealed only three videos featuring it. The first two were sales pitches and, rather tellingly, didn't feature ANY demonstration of the product. The last was more of an unboxing-type video from an obvious tyro who played about two notes, both of which sounded like an original Clavinova, which is probably exactly what these things are.

Technology has moved on, thankfully, so should the OP and frankly, so should you.


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Re: Hemingway dp 501 [Re: DBC] #1678551
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Why not check for a Roland F-110, or the Kawai version of it (not got the model near)
I must say, priceway, i love those pianos. Also like the keys fo the yamaha in the pricerange, just less fond of their sound on the lower end market.

600 euros is quite much in Romania (from what I remember from a few years ago when I was staying at someone's)

Maybe, it's an idea to find a second hand like those? since they are not very old, you maybe get a good one for that price.


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Thanks (I think!) to Aidan for providing the youtube clip - I think that says more than a thousand words could.


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